Corolla 2E fuelling problems.

[TTEETT]

Sorry, I know the Carburetted 2E 12vavle is not very “ToySpeed” but one of you jokers might be able to lend or pint a hand or give some advice.

Car gets stuck at 2500rpm and is drinking like a sailor and generally seems to have a mind of its own, will run fine someday and complete rubbish others, it is at the point where it is dangerous and really embarrassing as it can get stuck in a flat spot mid intersection when crossing.

Have taken it Toyota and they can’t help, seems the tech is to advanced for them, have also had it a few local guys and they can’t figure the problem either, one has had minimal success when he replaced a part that control the chock so I am thing there is where the problem lies.

Can anyone recommend someone to fix the car once and for all, a specialist of sorts, someone familiar with the problems. I don’t mind paying.

The car has been in the family since new (1986) and disposal is not an option as it is a handy run around car with sentimental value.

Cheers

[xsspeed]

later 2e's supposedly had a better carb (the earlier ones apparently give a fair bit of niggle from time to time, has not happened to me though so cannot comment if your symptoms are typical)

[RS13]

You'd be surprised, a lot of guys here have experience with the old 2Es!

The older 2E carbs are horrible, I've seen plenty that have the hot start issue or otherwise, adjusting them is a PITA and they don't seem to keep adjustment for very long. IMO you'd be struggling to find a decent mechanic willing to touch it, or get good results.. but good luck!

BTW I wouldn't say that it's "too advanced" for Toyota, rather they probably know what tuning these carbs is like, and didn't want to touch it! I'd personally either try another carb off another motor, or get a rebuild kit and have a nudge at tuning it myself, but if you're willing to pay a few hundy to get someone else to do it then sweet as.

[TTEETT]

Was looking for a defiant solution to what is a apparently a common problem, apparently the carb is not tuneable it’s the cold start/hot start chock wizardry you speak of.

My local Toyota dealer had the car for a week and couldn’t or maybe wouldn’t sort it

[edwagon]

The CV style cabs on the 2e were junk - they all end up with the flat spot, use heaps of fuel and are hard to start when warm.

The ee80s and ee90s were the worst offenders - although I did once own a very early ee80 which had a conventional style carb (a wee little 2 barrel) and was fine - so maybe go for one of those if you can find one?

I am not sure if the ee100s had the same issue - I can only definitely remember it on ee80s and 90s (the 100s were still reas new when I was working on em every day)

There is not much to adjust/tune on a cv style carb - I imagine that is just a a wear and tear thing - maybe the piston gets sticky/jammed/leaky and wrecks the vacuum and mixture.

Throw a good 2nd hand carb on it

[TTEETT]

Thanks, that’s exactly what it does.

Anyone know if a later model 2E intake system will bolt on?

We have had the car 25years, 20 of which it ran fine, it actually used to haul along nicely for what it is so 20 years is not a bad run and hardly what I would call junk, it’s been up and down for the last 5 that has been the problem, I think the fact to many “experts” have played around with it may be the reason it has got to the stage it is.

Thanks for the help guys, invaluable.

If I had the skills I would just drop a 4A-GE or one of those churbo starlet engins in her and be done with it..

[MAGN1T]

It might be as easy as putting oil in it , like you do with an SU or stromberg.
A manual would be a good start.
No, people can't read books these days.
Just google it

Steve

[AWShev]

find a complete intake manifold from a nz new model as these run a standard down draft carb.
the slide carbs r a pile of shit and cant be adjusted.

the car will feel a shit load better through transient throttle as well
find the complete intake manifold and ur all good 2 go just make sure u get the air box and bracket that holds it 2 the head

wiring wise splice the thermostatic choke into the fuel shut off wiring 2 supply the 12v it requires

a well recomended mod expecally if ur slide carb is out of adjustment

[TTEETT]

Thanks for the advice, thats great, I don’t quite understand how a carburettor works at all and am unsure about the different types.

It’s a NZ new 1986 EE82 Facelift with the second gen engine. What model has the better style, is it the last gen, I think 1993-1998 NZ new?

It might be as easy as putting oil in it , like you do with an SU or stromberg.
A manual would be a good start.
No, people can't read books these days.
Just google it

Steve

Thanks for that Steve, I do have a workshop manual and as said they are non adjustable, the rebuild guide on it is 50 steps and then 50 steps to reassemble and looks about as complicated Sudoku written in actual Japanese.

I have found a guy that can apparently fix it, he works from a space behind a mechanic on Wiri Station Road in Manukau.

Will report on progress and if it works post his details. He is apparently one of the last few people who work on carbs and is where Manukau Toyota send their cars with carb problems.

[LEAKER]

when i worked for a large mechnics we found that all the 2e carbs give problems at around 200,000kms and need rekitting. This is very generalised but if your not too good with carbs then take it to your local carby place

[xsspeed]

slightly OT but, your build plate actually says ee82?

[TTEETT]

That’s the distinguishing code I have always used, but I will have a look, I know it still has the Toyota plant red and chrome Thames sticker as well. it’s a 86’ 3-Door assembled in Thames with NZGT 14” wheels, NZGT hatch spoiler and NZGT leather three spoke wheel, it also has full instrumentation and a few other bits that you don’t see on the XL.

Thanks Leaker, it has only done 150,000km but the problem actually started after it sat for 8 months in my Garage and hadn’t been started

Most exciting topic on Toyspeed this year

[xsspeed]

hmm, the quirks of your car interests me! My ee80 (liftback) was also thames assembled, but poverty spec.

[TTEETT]

Yes it’s an EE80 I beg your pardon. So much black plastic I go through a can of silicone spray a month! Paint must have been expensive in the 80’s. I do prefer the black bumpers though.

Have had three NZGT's from Thames that were AE82, that’s where I get confused.

[xsspeed]

let me know when you want to sell, trying to find a 3 door xl as a runabout is harder than I thought.

[TTEETT]

We have had it since new, twenty five years, so you may be waiting a while. In fact I would sooner crush it of set it on fire and throw it into the sea like a Viking funeral and give it a decent send off than sell it, it would be like giving away your loyal dog of many years.

A GT would make a better run about, better on gas and more reliable, plus the NZGT is Retro cool now so you will look cool driving it.

[ee904age]

find a complete intake manifold from a nz new model as these run a standard down draft carb.
the slide carbs r a pile of shit and cant be adjusted.

Not necessarily, My old one was an NZ new EE90 XL sedan and that had the crap carb on it. Repaced carb at 170,000km with one from a wreck that had 110,000 on it. Got about 5,000km out of it then same issues.

If you're planning on keeping it a long time, I'd look at either pricing a brand new carb ex Toyota if your carb man cant overhaul your old one, or doing an engine transplant.

[xsspeed]

We have had it since new, twenty five years, so you may be waiting a while. In fact I would sooner crush it of set it on fire and throw it into the sea like a Viking funeral and give it a decent send off than sell it, it would be like giving away your loyal dog of many years.

A GT would make a better run about, better on gas and more reliable, plus the NZGT is Retro cool now so you will look cool driving it.

Yeah we've had ours since new too, just keen on another for run about duties as my one is going through drastic changes. (eventually)

[TTEETT]

Just an update.. reference. We always here about bad service and seldom here about good.

Car is running like new again, was at the shop for a few days and had a bit of an overhaul, was a combination of a few things.

Charge was $320 which is bloody reasonable for the amount of work he did.

Carburettor & EFI Specialists
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3/6 Keith Hay Drive Wiri Auckland
(09) 2634564

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