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Postby GX61 Mark II » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:37 am

Really if you are wondering about the exchange rate and saving a few dollars at a time like this you are a bit more than callous. I will leave it at that.

Anyway at times of risk, the NZ dollar will almost always go down against the yen.
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Postby TRD Man » Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:07 am

GX61 Mark II wrote:Really if you are wondering about the exchange rate and saving a few dollars at a time like this you are a bit more than callous.

This is rubbish. Despite whatever feelings we may have for the Japanese in the wake of this tragedy, most people and particularly young Kiwi car 'enthusiasts' operate on limited budgets and it's entirely reasonable that they might take any opportunity to maximise the value of their spend.
And it is particularly inappropriate given that a low exchange rate doesn't disadvantage anybody at all. In fact it may permit the buying of more gear and thereby benefitting the supplier.

GX61 Mark II wrote:Anyway at times of risk, the NZ dollar will almost always go down against the yen.

This is true.
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Postby GX61 Mark II » Thu Mar 17, 2011 1:31 pm

TRD Man wrote:
GX61 Mark II wrote:Really if you are wondering about the exchange rate and saving a few dollars at a time like this you are a bit more than callous.

This is rubbish. Despite whatever feelings we may have for the Japanese in the wake of this tragedy, most people and particularly young Kiwi car 'enthusiasts' operate on limited budgets and it's entirely reasonable that they might take any opportunity to maximise the value of their spend.
And it is particularly inappropriate given that a low exchange rate doesn't disadvantage anybody at all. In fact it may permit the buying of more gear and thereby benefitting the supplier.


Nah. Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, this is still selfish and insensitive (as I said, Callous or worse) this is a disaster that is still ongoing - we are not even into the wake of it as you are suggesting.

It is likely 10s of thousands of people have lost their lives and it could end up that 100s of thousands (or more) could be irradiated or affected by the developing nuclear disaster... but please, won't somebody think about the affect on the poor cash strapped kiwi car enthusiast!

If it had worked out to be cheaper (which it won't) then so be it, perhaps a donation to one of the relief funds for the disaster. I think it is entirely inappropriate to be worrying about a few dollars in comparison to the gravity of the situation ongoing in Japan.
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Postby Bling » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:07 pm

You have to excuse people that live in a bubble, where they only have to worry about themselves :wink:

Completely agree with your view on it.
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Postby blindnz » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:27 pm

GX61 Mark II wrote:Nah. Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, this is still selfish and insensitive (as I said, Callous or worse) this is a disaster that is still ongoing - we are not even into the wake of it as you are suggesting.

It is likely 10s of thousands of people have lost their lives and it could end up that 100s of thousands (or more) could be irradiated or affected by the developing nuclear disaster... but please, won't somebody think about the affect on the poor cash strapped kiwi car enthusiast!

If it had worked out to be cheaper (which it won't) then so be it, perhaps a donation to one of the relief funds for the disaster. I think it is entirely inappropriate to be worrying about a few dollars in comparison to the gravity of the situation ongoing in Japan.


Fully agree...
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Postby dub » Thu Mar 17, 2011 2:45 pm

I don't think its me that's living in a bubble, try looking past your righteous indignation and I think you'll find the media coverage of the financial fallout (sorry) of the situation is almost overshadowing the human story. It's a very big piece of the picture, one that grown ups are allowed to talk about.
I'm not going to discuss it further because clearly people are a bit religious about the subject, wasn't my intention to offend.
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Postby TRD Man » Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:04 pm

GX61 Mark II wrote:Nah. Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, this is still selfish and insensitive (as I said, Callous or worse) this is a disaster that is still ongoing - we are not even into the wake of it as you are suggesting.

It is likely 10s of thousands of people have lost their lives and it could end up that 100s of thousands (or more) could be irradiated or affected by the developing nuclear disaster... but please, won't somebody think about the affect on the poor cash strapped kiwi car enthusiast!

If it had worked out to be cheaper (which it won't) then so be it, perhaps a donation to one of the relief funds for the disaster. I think it is entirely inappropriate to be worrying about a few dollars in comparison to the gravity of the situation ongoing in Japan.

Sorry, moralist bullshit. The only person applying any 'spin' is yourself.
What ever our thoughts on the tragic events in Japan, the rest of us need to carry on with our lives ... including our recreational pursuits.

Nobody suggested that the world stop to consider the "poor cash strapped Kiwi car enthusiast" at all, rather that the events in Japan haven't altered the fact that he, or she, will be working within a budget and that it is entirely reasonable for them to stretch that budget as far as possible.

If, in doing so, they were disadvantaging the Japanese supplier, i.e. kicking them when they're down, there might be some credence to your argument.

However all that dub asked was if there is benefit to him in buying immediately - on two fronts (1) cost due to movement in exchange rate & (2) likely impact on supply.
Two very reasonable questions.

One thing that some people may not realise is that whether the exchange rate is high or low there's no reflective impact at the other end. The supplier pockets the same money at the end of the day so it's not as if by posing the question he's looking to take advantage of the situation at their expense.

What they need right now, as does Christchurch, is the rest of the world to continue trading with them.
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Postby rollaholic » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:41 pm

TRD Man wrote:
GX61 Mark II wrote:Nah. Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, this is still selfish and insensitive (as I said, Callous or worse) this is a disaster that is still ongoing - we are not even into the wake of it as you are suggesting.

It is likely 10s of thousands of people have lost their lives and it could end up that 100s of thousands (or more) could be irradiated or affected by the developing nuclear disaster... but please, won't somebody think about the affect on the poor cash strapped kiwi car enthusiast!

If it had worked out to be cheaper (which it won't) then so be it, perhaps a donation to one of the relief funds for the disaster. I think it is entirely inappropriate to be worrying about a few dollars in comparison to the gravity of the situation ongoing in Japan.

Sorry, moralist bullshit. The only person applying any 'spin' is yourself.
What ever our thoughts on the tragic events in Japan, the rest of us need to carry on with our lives ... including our recreational pursuits.


i sadly have to agree with TRD man here, as much as whats happened in japan is terrible, the reality is many more people die entirely undocumented in third world countries all the time, and in truth none of us give enough of a toss to scrap our expensive hobby and donate all our spare funds to CCF or wtf ever.
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Postby Zitchu » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:46 pm

Im with the above 2 on this. As bad as everything is, its still for the most part a localised event, and has no effect on the rest of us whatsoever.
And for those who are on a limited budget daily they have to take what oportunities they can get, to get what they are after.
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Postby GX61 Mark II » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:57 pm

TRD Man wrote:
GX61 Mark II wrote:Nah. Doesn't matter how you try to spin it, this is still selfish and insensitive (as I said, Callous or worse) this is a disaster that is still ongoing - we are not even into the wake of it as you are suggesting.

It is likely 10s of thousands of people have lost their lives and it could end up that 100s of thousands (or more) could be irradiated or affected by the developing nuclear disaster... but please, won't somebody think about the affect on the poor cash strapped kiwi car enthusiast!

If it had worked out to be cheaper (which it won't) then so be it, perhaps a donation to one of the relief funds for the disaster. I think it is entirely inappropriate to be worrying about a few dollars in comparison to the gravity of the situation ongoing in Japan.

Sorry, moralist bullshit. The only person applying any 'spin' is yourself.
What ever our thoughts on the tragic events in Japan, the rest of us need to carry on with our lives ... including our recreational pursuits.

Nobody suggested that the world stop to consider the "poor cash strapped Kiwi car enthusiast" at all, rather that the events in Japan haven't altered the fact that he, or she, will be working within a budget and that it is entirely reasonable for them to stretch that budget as far as possible.

If, in doing so, they were disadvantaging the Japanese supplier, i.e. kicking them when they're down, there might be some credence to your argument.

However all that dub asked was if there is benefit to him in buying immediately - on two fronts (1) cost due to movement in exchange rate & (2) likely impact on supply.
Two very reasonable questions.

One thing that some people may not realise is that whether the exchange rate is high or low there's no reflective impact at the other end. The supplier pockets the same money at the end of the day so it's not as if by posing the question he's looking to take advantage of the situation at their expense.

What they need right now, as does Christchurch, is the rest of the world to continue trading with them.


No, still not there. I haven't added any spin all I have stated is the facts as close to as is known about the situation over here, because it is still ongoing at this point.

I never said don't trade with a Japanese company, quite the opposite - I hope he does and gets the parts he wants, and if the price worked out to be cheaper with the exchange rate then so be it - a good price from Mark is likely to have more impact than the exchange rate.

He is not even asking what you seem to want him to be asking, he asks: should I wait for a while for the yen dive to save myself some money or will I risk them running out of stock? (this is different to how you have worded it above). All it ends up being is, well this disaster is going on, but what about me?

Go look up the definitions of callous, selfish and insensitive and tell me this doesn't fit. Anyway if you can't see this you never will.

As we have both said earlier, the dollar was never going to go that way anyway.

Zitchu wrote:Im with the above 2 on this. As bad as everything is, its still for the most part a localised event, and has no effect on the rest of us whatsoever.


Except for the price/availability of car parts apparently.

Thankfully the private Japanese individuals that have donated 100s of thousands of dollars to the Christchurch earthquake relief efforts (would not be at all surprised if the total is well over a million) didn't feel the same way as you.

Hey, there is no tone in written stuff, so I wouldn't say I am getting 'righteously indignant' or 'religious' (whatever that means) - just making a point which I feel strongly about and I will leave it at that.

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