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by **thornz** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:14 pm

Should go back to teh days where they had special qualifying engines that were an extra couple of hundred horse power and blew up after 3 or four laps!

by **Mr Ree** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:19 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:Wasn't a problem last time they had Turbos....

You are 100% correct.

But F1 has come and awful long way since then, not only in terms of building the sport into the global monster that it is, but also in the way of TV and marketing being so important now. A small change could ruin that, and Bernie knows it.

People have got used to the sound of NA engines, whether they were V12, V10 or V8's for the past 20 years and its a huge risk to change such a fundamental part of why F1 is as popular as it is. And Im not talking about avid fans like you or I as they only make up a small portion of the global audience.

I guess he is just very wary of changing something that isnt broken?

Either way, I will still be watching it week in, week out. I just hope everyone else will be

by **Mr Ree** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:21 pm

thornz wrote:Should go back to teh days where they had special qualifying engines that were an extra couple of hundred horse power and blew up after 3 or four laps!

YES YES YES 1300hp of awesomeness braking traction in 5th gear over the top of Massenet

P.S And super soft qualifying slicks

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:26 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:Wasn't a problem last time they had Turbos....

But last time people weren't forced to make a 4 banger that was limited to 10,000rpm

I'm all for the new rules, but I also belive that a level of technical freedom should be allow in regards to rpm and cyclinder numbers

Only 1 hour till get get to see how Awful Mclaren are going to be this year can't wait

by **Adamal** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:28 pm

1I1 wrote: Big turbo's and big power

From memory, the turbo's themselves weren't actually that big. Just the power was

by **Mr Ree** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:35 pm

Adamal wrote:
1I1 wrote: Big turbo's and big power

From memory, the turbo's themselves weren't actually that big. Just the power was

Yes, when they were running 80PSI, the power was incredible.

I laughed when I read about how they had limited the cars to 65PSI to keep speeds down...just sounded so funny.

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:37 pm

Can't have unlimited RPM and boost. Costs would be stupid.
They will be fast enough, and sound good, different, but good.

Whats your hat made of Justin?

by **Mr Ree** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 1:57 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:...and sound good, different, but good.

While I agree they will still sound good, they wont come anywhere near sounding like they do at the moment, which is perfect.

F1 needs to be the loudest, highest revving class of motorsport to justify its title.

Would be a shame to not hear them coming until they were 50 yards away

by **Adamal** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:30 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:Can't have unlimited RPM and boost.

Part of the appeal to the mechanical minded is the illusive RPM range. 9k RPM is like your roof redline for street cars such as the S2000 and RX-8. Recent F1 cars have been double that.
Theres almost like an enigma for 10k+......

by **1I1** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:47 pm

Exactly - and just like a high reving bike hearing a car reving so high is pure bliss

by **Adamal** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 2:50 pm

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:20 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:Can't have unlimited RPM and boost. Costs would be stupid.
They will be fast enough, and sound good, different, but good.

Whats your hat made of Justin?

Nope I agree RPM should be limited, but I feel that 10,000 is a we bit low, I also don't think there should be a boost limit just a fuel flow limit, I also think they should be allow to use any capaicty they want to up to 1600cc

I also feel there should be some freedom for choice regarding number of cyclinders

End of the day this is Formula 1, if you can't afford to be there you shouldn't be, go race in a cheaper series that you can afford to be competing in

F1 is meant to be the pinicale of motorsport, no some budget series

Sorry Revvie but I won't be eating my Hat (Have already heard rumors that the FIA are looking at the McLaren exhuast system )

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:31 pm

I understood there is going to be a fuel flow rule.
Problem is F1 must change it's engine rules to avoid becoming a target for the greenies. Also to increase interest from manufactors. 4 cyl turbos with KERS type systems are where cars are headed, so F1 needs to lead the way. Otherwise it will become more irrelevant to the makers.

Being able to choose the number of cylinders is irrelevant because they will all go to 4cyl anyway due to size and packaging.

Your dislike of McLaren will bite you in the bum :wink:

McLaren are a far more honest and legal team than Ferrari ever have been!

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:48 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:I understood there is going to be a fuel flow rule.
Problem is F1 must change it's engine rules to avoid becoming a target for the greenies. Also to increase interest from manufactors. 4 cyl turbos with KERS type systems are where cars are headed, so F1 needs to lead the way. Otherwise it will become more irrelevant to the makers.

Being able to choose the number of cylinders is irrelevant because they will all go to 4cyl anyway due to size and packaging.

Your dislike of McLaren will bite you in the bum
McLaren are a far more honest and legal team than Ferrari ever have been!

Mclaren is the same team that was found with Ferrari Data and pretty much won the 2008 championship becasue they were able to copy there main rivals car

In regards to cyclinder numbers a few manifactures were very intrested in doing a V6 for the new formula

As for the greenies they can $&#$% off, they probably waste more fuel chasing the $&#$% whalers around the southern ocean than the entire grid of F1 uses in an entire season

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:51 pm

Still on about that? Incorrect and you know it :wink:

I don't think any team that wanted to win would do a V6, the advantage of having a narrow inline 4 is too great.

Yeah the greenies are not logical, which is why they will attack F1 etc

by **Mr Ree** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:44 pm

Well an interesting first session.

So cool watching the rear wing deploying. Some drivers are going to maximise this in quali for an extra tenth or two.

Poor karun...tsk tsk tsk.

Red bull is clearly ahead of the pack, and Mclaren further up the field than many expected. Lotts of visual changes to their car

Looking forward to the second session with more rubber down so we can start to get an idea of what these tyres are going to behave like.

I didnt like the look of the chunk of rubber that had been torn from Vettels tyre, not sure if it was caused by a lock up or degredation though.

So many unknowns and its great!

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:48 pm

Turn 4 on the out lap... :oops:

Oh look, Nico faster than the shoe...

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 5:53 pm

Just saw replay of the Lotus crash, looks like something broke to me

by **JustinSpiderholden** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:04 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:Still on about that? Incorrect and you know it

I don't think any team that wanted to win would do a V6, the advantage of having a narrow inline 4 is too great.

Yeah the greenies are not logical, which is why they will attack F1 etc

Not incorrect it was proven that Mclaren had illegal Ferrair data, I love that fact that they were fined 100mil and of that 100mil 99% of it was for Ron Dennis being a knob

If Inline 4 was so good, then why were the V6 turbos of the 1980tys more sucessful than there 4 cyclinder brothers

I think freedom of choice would have been better a range of soultions would have been better than being shoe horned into a single choice

It will be worrying if the new Indy car v6 turbos are more powerful than what f1 is proposing

Intresting 1st session nice work by the Indian on the way biff, great to see HRT out there also

Stoked to see Sauber with Kamui in the top 10

by **Mr Revhead** » Fri Mar 25, 2011 6:11 pm

It is incorrect, the car was inspected and found to be free of Ferrari input... Selective memory maybe? :wink:

Can't compare the 80s with now, aero is sooo different now. Not to mention other rules to do with floors etc.
RPM cap also makes a difference.

The new gen turbos will still have 750ish hp when coupled with the KERS

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