class A exemption licences no more

[Grrrrrrr!]

Do they drive less than once every three months? If not, then they should just pay the damn licence fee and be done with it since they are driving on a regular basis. If they only borrow a car once every 6 months or so, then a Taxi/Bus would work out cheaper than paying the ACC levy, or buy a box for a mate and get them to drive them.

I dont see how you can think its better to have one person pay four times for being covered for personal injury on the roads than it is to have one person pay once once for the same insurance?

So perhaps the better option is to put all the ACC charges on RUC and petrol, that way you dont have to worry about who is driving and who isn't, and scrap vehcile licensing altogether?

The current system is a complete rip with owners of multiple vehicles subsidising those that clock up more kms (more exposure to accidents) in their one car, and families with multiple drivers and one car paying for cover for one person and receiving cover for multiple people.

[Bling]

I dont see how you can think its better to have one person pay four times for being covered for personal injury on the roads than it is to have one person pay once once for the same insurance?

Explain?

Where did I say this?

[Grrrrrrr!]

Well you seem to be supporting the status quo, and thats exactly what happens under the current system.

[Elmo]

Paying for a licence so to speak isnt user pays, its still very expensive for low users and cheaper for high users.

As someone else said, make it user pays, ie road tax, or more tax on fuel, yes, that has it disadvantages to, ie V8 compared to a sub 1 L car.

Unfortunately there isnt an easy answer, but, its YOUR choice to own multiple cars. Only YOU can way up the costs of owning several cars. If you must own several cars, be prepared to payfor them.

Someone said something about insurance, yes, you can only drive one car at a time, but what say you lent one to a friend? What about if you are driving one and the your house burns down with the other in she shed? If you only 'pay' for insurance on one car at a time, the second wouldnt be covered.

The easy way out is, if you dont want to pay 2 sets of ACC levies, only own one car. If you own a race car, make it a dedicated race car with no rego etc.

No ones complained that you have to pay for warrents while your car isnt being used, its just the same though!

[VR-4Squid]

The easy way out is, if you dont want to pay 2 sets of ACC levies, only own one car. If you own a race car, make it a dedicated race car with no rego etc.

No ones complained that you have to pay for warrents while your car isnt being used, its just the same though!

Having a race car you can't drive on the road isn't quite the solution you might think, as you then need your primary vehicle to be big enough to tow it on a trailer (which means you can't have a tiny economical car as a daily or you're back to paying for two cars).

Also the WOF thing is different, you pay for the test to be done, not for the gap in between.

[Al]

Scrap the ACC and RUC content and have a tax on tyres.

Lots of road use = lots of new tyres = lots of tax.

[Elmo]

The easy way out is, if you dont want to pay 2 sets of ACC levies, only own one car. If you own a race car, make it a dedicated race car with no rego etc.

No ones complained that you have to pay for warrents while your car isnt being used, its just the same though!

Having a race car you can't drive on the road isn't quite the solution you might think, as you then need your primary vehicle to be big enough to tow it on a trailer (which means you can't have a tiny economical car as a daily or you're back to paying for two cars).

Also the WOF thing is different, you pay for the test to be done, not for the gap in between.

Again, thats your choice though isnt it, just like you have to pay to have a bigger section or shed to store it in. If you cant afford that life style then dont live it. I own 4 cars, and only have 2 reg'd, whys that, because of the cost of reging them all, I still pay insurance on them even though they dont leave the shed, but thats MY choice in life.

No one is FORCING you to own a race car, or 5 cars etc.

[Bling]

Well you seem to be supporting the status quo, and thats exactly what happens under the current system.

No system will be perfect, i'm just saying whichever way you come up with, there will be winners and losers.

As Elmo says, it's all about choices. If you can't afford to run more than one car, don't. Easy peasy. I'll have two cars on the road within a couple years, classic rego ftw they'll probably line that up next in an effort to get older cars off the road

[Looonie]

Ok, either I've missed something else relevant, or everyone else is ignoring this important sentence...

If you are using your vehicle on a road solely for the purpose, and directly to the place, of inspection, servicing or repair, you will have a defence for using an unlicenced vehicle.

So to me, it seems like an improvement. Rather than paying (an admittedly tiny fee) to have A class rego, you can just be on rego hold (for period of 3 months minimum) or simply have an expired rego, and still be able to drive the vehicle to/from workshops and testing stations.

So its less hassle and less cost... why is everyone getting up in arms about it?

Yes it might result in having to prove your destination/purpose... but I would imagine that is the case under the A class rego as well if you were to get pulled over.

[Elmo]

And the easiest way to prove that you are going for a wof or repair etc is to BOOK IT IN and get the booking written on a business card (or letter head)

Been there done that and never had an issue.

[Leon]

So its less hassle and less cost... why is everyone getting up in arms about it?

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I think the up in arms is mostly on a sidetrack which can be summarised as
"I want to pay less to have cars than I do now". Which isn't exactly hugely surprising

[VR-4Squid]

The easy way out is, if you dont want to pay 2 sets of ACC levies, only own one car. If you own a race car, make it a dedicated race car with no rego etc.

No ones complained that you have to pay for warrents while your car isnt being used, its just the same though!

Having a race car you can't drive on the road isn't quite the solution you might think, as you then need your primary vehicle to be big enough to tow it on a trailer (which means you can't have a tiny economical car as a daily or you're back to paying for two cars).

Also the WOF thing is different, you pay for the test to be done, not for the gap in between.

Again, thats your choice though isnt it, just like you have to pay to have a bigger section or shed to store it in. If you cant afford that life style then dont live it. I own 4 cars, and only have 2 reg'd, whys that, because of the cost of reging them all, I still pay insurance on them even though they dont leave the shed, but thats MY choice in life.

No one is FORCING you to own a race car, or 5 cars etc.

Indeed, hence I've sold all but one of my cars.

Thinking about taking up Heroin cos it seems like an easier/cheaper habit than racing

Seriously though, does it not annoy you that you have to pay nearly twice as much as you did ten or so years ago to enjoy a similar lifestyle? (not just cars/racing related either).

[Grrrrrrr!]

As Elmo says, it's all about choices. If you can't afford to run more than one car, don't. Easy peasy. I'll have two cars on the road within a couple years, classic rego ftw they'll probably line that up next in an effort to get older cars off the road

Well by the logic exhibited in this thread, its a car, its driven on the road... so why should it be treated any differently than any other car?? What is special about old classics that justifies cheap rego?

[Grrrrrrr!]

The easy way out is, if you dont want to pay 2 sets of ACC levies, only own one car. If you own a race car, make it a dedicated race car with no rego etc.

No ones complained that you have to pay for warrents while your car isnt being used, its just the same though!

Having a race car you can't drive on the road isn't quite the solution you might think, as you then need your primary vehicle to be big enough to tow it on a trailer (which means you can't have a tiny economical car as a daily or you're back to paying for two cars).

Also the WOF thing is different, you pay for the test to be done, not for the gap in between.

Again, thats your choice though isnt it, just like you have to pay to have a bigger section or shed to store it in. If you cant afford that life style then dont live it. I own 4 cars, and only have 2 reg'd, whys that, because of the cost of reging them all, I still pay insurance on them even though they dont leave the shed, but thats MY choice in life.

No one is FORCING you to own a race car, or 5 cars etc.

[/quote]
Got kids Elmo?

No one is FORCING you to have kids
Unfortunately there isnt an easy answer, but, its YOUR choice to have kids. Only YOU can weigh up the costs of having kids. If you must have kids, be prepared to pay for them (education, healthcare. pre-school etc.)

If you can't afford that lifestyle then dont live it....

Now giz back the WFF, the paid maternity leave, the subsidised ECE and education.....

Or does that only apply to some things?

For the record I dont actually object to universal "free" education and healthcare, I was just trying to make a point.
I do object to WFF, you chose to have kids, why should you pay less tax as a result?

[Willdat?]

Got kids Elmo?

No one is FORCING you to have kids
Unfortunately there isnt an easy answer, but, its YOUR choice to have kids. Only YOU can weigh up the costs of having kids. If you must have kids, be prepared to pay for them (education, healthcare. pre-school etc.)

If you can't afford that lifestyle then dont live it....

Now giz back the WFF, the paid maternity leave, the subsidised ECE and education.....

Or does that only apply to some things?

Waaaaaaayyyyyyy OT, but,

Kids are encouraged as they are the future tax payers that will support you in your retirement etc. car rego is not quite such a long term investment

[rolla_fxgt]

Got kids Elmo?

No one is FORCING you to have kids
Unfortunately there isnt an easy answer, but, its YOUR choice to have kids. Only YOU can weigh up the costs of having kids. If you must have kids, be prepared to pay for them (education, healthcare. pre-school etc.)

If you can't afford that lifestyle then dont live it....

Now giz back the WFF, the paid maternity leave, the subsidised ECE and education.....

Or does that only apply to some things?

Then by your logic you should have to pay full costs for the roads you drive on, police to patrol it, fire and ambo in case you crash etc. Got a spare 2-20 odd million lying around?

Everyone is subsidised in some way or another, its called being part of society.
If you have health insurance you subsidise others who don't by effectively giving them your entitlement to the public system.

Its your choice to own x number of cars, just like its others choice to have kids, both of you are being subsidised in some way by others, so stop complaining and get over it.
You cans still have a car not regoed, but you just have to follow the rules and only drive it when on the way, or way back from repairs.

Lets face it there's always going to be more rules. Not many of us like new rules, but its life.

So if class A is being done away with, what does this mean for use of actual agricultural vehicles? Do they go to normal rego now?

[Elmo]

Got kids Elmo?

No one is FORCING you to have kids
Unfortunately there isnt an easy answer, but, its YOUR choice to have kids. Only YOU can weigh up the costs of having kids. If you must have kids, be prepared to pay for them (education, healthcare. pre-school etc.)

If you can't afford that lifestyle then dont live it....

Now giz back the WFF, the paid maternity leave, the subsidised ECE and education.....

Or does that only apply to some things?

For the record I dont actually object to universal "free" education and healthcare, I was just trying to make a point.
I do object to WFF, you chose to have kids, why should you pay less tax as a result?

Yep, I got kids (well one so far anyway). Yes, that was our choice. Yes, as I said, Ive got several cars, again, MY choice. If we couldnt afford kids we wouldnt have had any, again OUR choice. I dont see your point.

[Leon]

So if class A is being done away with, what does this mean for use of actual agricultural vehicles? Do they go to normal rego now?

Agri vehicles are exempt Class B, not Class A (off the top of my head)

[Grrrrrrr!]

Waaaaaaayyyyyyy OT, but,

Kids are encouraged as they are the future tax payers that will support you in your retirement etc. car rego is not quite such a long term investment

I thought my kiwisaver was going to be paying for my retirement? You don't honestly expect the govt to pe paying you a pension when you retire do you? (if you're under 40ish I think you should be planning for zero govt pension)

[stolic]

Well by the logic exhibited in this thread, its a car, its driven on the road... so why should it be treated any differently than any other car?? What is special about old classics that justifies cheap rego?

Cos classic cars (especially toyotas) are AWESOME!!

but more likely due to the fact that classic cars, on average, do much less mileage on the road between each wof period. obviously LTNZ can't just make a rego based on mileage cos everyone would just unplug the speedo and then John Key wold have to pay for his own helicopter ride to the v8s.. so they play the age game