top gears fav sporty toyotas

[strx7]

pretty sure when toyota withdrew from the WRC the celicas had more rally wins and championship titles to their name than Subaru and Mitsi. It was only in more recent years that subaru and mitsi became what they are these days

[mr_monkey]

How the $&#$% is a soarer not sporty? Its a front engined RWD coupe with bootloads of power. Its far more of a sports car than any gay FWD celica (that most of you would call a sports car) and IMO every GT4 ive been in has been slow as shit so its more of a sports car than those too!.

I'm guessing all these haters have never driven a soarer before?


What is that old toyota mx5ish thing? is that james bond?

[Snaps]

^ This guy's gotta be a troll?

Soarer isn't really all that sporty. It's the Supra's luxury half-cousin, a Lexus... Nor do I consider the Celica a sporty car. These cars may be faster than your average Corolla or Camry, but I don't think I would consider them sporty. The GT4 is the exception here, because it has an added turbo and 4WD.

Old Toyota MX5-ish thing? That's an insult to any Toyota fan. That is the 2000GT - the first Toyota "supercar" - it had the first engine designed by Yamaha for Toyota.

Please, educate yourself before you post on here.

[kiwi4agze]

pretty sure when toyota withdrew from the WRC the celicas had more rally wins and championship titles to their name than Subaru and Mitsi. It was only in more recent years that subaru and mitsi became what they are these days

By withdrew you meant BANNED for CHEATING!!!!!!!!!

[Prymal]

Clarkson doesnt like the ST205.. It made his lovechild escort cosworths look boring .

And if it beats a cosworth , thats just not british.

[kiwi4agze]

Clarkson doesnt like the ST205.. It made his lovechild escort cosworths look boring .

And if it beats a cosworth , thats just not british.

Dont be dissing cosworth.... they didnt do anything to you

[mr_monkey]

^ This guy's gotta be a troll?

Soarer isn't really all that sporty. It's the Supra's luxury half-cousin, a Lexus... Nor do I consider the Celica a sporty car. These cars may be faster than your average Corolla or Camry, but I don't think I would consider them sporty. The GT4 is the exception here, because it has an added turbo and 4WD.

Old Toyota MX5-ish thing? That's an insult to any Toyota fan. That is the 2000GT - the first Toyota "supercar" - it had the first engine designed by Yamaha for Toyota.

Please, educate yourself before you post on here.

So you add a turbo and suddenly its sporty?

Did you ever hear that soarers also came with a 1jzgte (they have TWO ADDED TURBOS)....? I know you knew that.. perhaps you just forgot. Perhaps you need to educate yourself?

Supra's half cousin? Perhaps you need to educate yourself on how similar the two cars actually are and how many parts are interchangeable.

Of course you wouldn't be wanting to admit it since you own a supra and obviously enjoy feeling all elitist and stuff.:roll:

Obviously in your opinion an RVR can be a sports car since some models came with a turbo and in 4wd?

I was joking about he 2000gt, hence the laughing face.

[Mr Revhead]

Right.
Well despite what the Soarer is equipped with. It's a Luxury sports coupe.
Focus on nice comfy riding.
End of the day its an opinion. And in mine the Soarer is not a sports car in the meaning of that article.

[RedMist]

ST185 would have to be on my list.
AW11, certainly
What about the LFA?

.... it's a pity but nothing else really shines. The Supra is a whale, the Soarer more so. Toyota make good reliable cars (bar the 165/185), not the most spectacular cars.
I don't know if I'd include the 2000GT on the list either. With 350 cars ever produced where do you cross the production line? The Toyota GTOne would certainly be on my list if production numbers weren't an issue.

[Snaps]

Adding a turbo doesn't instantly make it a sporty car, but adding a turbo and bringing the power up to about 250hp, along with stiffening the suspension and adding 4WD to a normally "faster-than-average" car usually does make it sporty. As Rev said, the suspension in the Soarer is not sporty at all, it's designed for a smooth, luxury ride.

I realise how similar the two cars are, but that doesn't change the fact that the Soarer wasn't designed to be sporty.

My mistake for thinking you didn't know anything about the 2000GT, the tone of the rest of your post led me to think you were being sarcastic.

[sergei]

How the $&#$% is a soarer not sporty? Its a front engined RWD coupe with bootloads of power. Its far more of a sports car than any gay FWD celica (that most of you would call a sports car) and IMO every GT4 ive been in has been slow as shit so its more of a sports car than those too!.

Troll.

Here some snack for you:

How many championships your executive coupe won? It is a very heavy car targeted to executives, and meant to be luxurious coupe. It could be a good muscle car, but muscle cars aren't sports cars IMO.

GT4 was born as a rally car (homologation and all ). Perhaps you were been in wrong GT4. My GT4s aren't slow at all (yes I have 2 of them). While every soarer I have been in was slow as shit.

[Leon]

Quick have an opinion war. Everyone wins

[mr_monkey]

obviously everyone here is smarter than topgear. cool.

[FST4RD]

I might wade into this... probably get flamed for it though.

I would have to say that the Soarer is sporty. Reason, powerful motor and being 2 door, Toyota probably aimed it at the upper crust people who wanted to look up market, executive, but didn't want a "wanky" looking sports car with big spoilers, bucket seats, but still have some power to boot. The Supra was it's more dedicated sporty brother.

I would have to say that Celica's no matter the motor were aimed at the sporty market, again the Current would be it's slightly more sensible, less sporty brother.

[Alex B]

Powerful 2 door of that size and luxury spec = grand tourer.

How many sports cars can come with factory airbag suspension for comfort.

[FST4RD]

Problem is this...
What you think is sporty is going to be different to a 80 year old right? They think anything that is zippy is sporty...

I just think that if you take the Toyota line up with the MR2 being the sporty bench mark, and at the other end of the scale you had the Toyota Crown being the most un-sporty car, you would have to say that the Soarer is closer to the MR2 right?

[Alex B]

It's kind of a hybrid of both.

[FST4RD]

Also the Topgear article is Toyota's top sporty cars, not top sports cars.
I think there is a difference.

I think that the Soarer is rightly sporty as per the article, but maybe not a sports car. The RVR turbo (previously mentioned) is sporty, but not a sports cars.

They are the sort of cars that have more power then the poverty model, sportyer interior, something you would go out for a sunday drive in, rather then go out to the track for a fang.

[strx7]

By withdrew you meant BANNED for CHEATING!!!!!!!!!

considering this is a toyota forum, you obviously don't know much about toyota's motorsport history.

They were banned for a year (1996 Rally Championship year) then came back won the drivers championship in 1998, and the manufacturers championship in 1998 & 1999. They then 'retired' from rallying to concetrate on Formula 1.

[rolla_fxgt]

By withdrew you meant BANNED for CHEATING!!!!!!!!!

considering this is a toyota forum, you obviously don't know much about toyota's motorsport history.

They were banned for a year (1996 Rally Championship year) then came back won the drivers championship in 1998, and the manufacturers championship in 1998 & 1999. They then 'retired' from rallying to concetrate on Formula 1.

I think he may have been talking about the Celica specifically, given that they came back with a corolla