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[Mr Revhead]

Soarers have a bad reputation all over the place, and im still trying to find out why,

It's not a bad reputation. They were just never designed to be a sports car.

[mr_monkey]

Rightttt.. Im going to say half of you have not driven a soarer.

Soarers have a bad reputation all over the place, and im still trying to find out why, mine loves the twistys, and this is coming from some one whos taken a aw11, ae101 s/s, gt4 st185 and a sw20 turbo down the same road. (Sure not race cars, but there not slow either)

All the driveline and suspension parts are interchangeable with the jza80.

Also my uzz doesnt actually weigh much more then an st185 or jza80.

Haters be haters.

chur.

I've had an AW11, SW20, soarer, trueno and a supra so feel the same way.

And yes many people comment on weights before they have a clue what things actually weigh. EG, ST205 GT4 = 1450kg, JZA80 1460kg non turbo and 1550 TT, soarer from 1450kg for models without active suspension (not sure which motor it was with that weight)

And sure, maybe the soarer was sprung a bit softer than it would have been had it not been a "luxury" sports coupe, but who keeps springs and shocks the same with any vehicle these days?

[deaf_rattle]

got a vid on my pc of a stock st205 vs jza80 a very close drag race over the 1/4 mile.

[Mr Ree]

I would believe that mate. The difference in power between the two isnt that much, and 4WD Vs RWD is no real contest on the strip, unless the RWD has alot more power to eat up the 4wd at the second half of the strip.

[iOnic]

Or is an MR2

[Al]

Or is an MR2

Keep up with the 4wds 6000rpm launch. Then eat them alive once you grab 2nd gear

[2jayzgte]

With regards to the Supra and Whale comparisons I don't understand it I have managed a laptime of 1.14.52 around Manfield in this so called Whale and have won clubsport dual car sprint type events in this so called Whale when this is mentioned it cracks me up its as though people who say stuff like this have either never driven one anywhere near the limit and think these cars don't handle well.

Yours is stock standard too aye? With enough money you can make anything quicker / handle better.

I'd own one any day of the week tbh.

Well stock is a a very general word with regards to engine mods I would say yes I run the US/U.K spec turbo's,injectors and cams with BPU Mods ie exhaust boost control FMIC and HKS-F-Con V-Pro ecu.I still run the turbo's sequientially also.

With regards to aero suspension and brakes its the TRD catalogue as Revvy can testify to as he has seen and ordered many of the parts I have on my car when he worked for R&B.

I think the Supra is stuck in that GT/Sportscar type as I really think it covers both fields well and if you didn't no a few really well known drivers in NZ racing circles either own or rate the Supra very highly ie Jonny Reid he owns one and Earl Bamber and Jono Lister when got a chance to drive one in anger both rate the car very highly and at one stage were in the market to own one also.

[Snaps]

It's not a bad reputation. They were just never designed to be a sports car.

This.

We're not saying you can't turn the Soarer into a sporty car with some springs, etc., we're just saying it wasn't designed with the purpose of being sporty.

[Prymal]

stock st205 , mid 13's 1/4 mile

stock JZA80 low 13's 1/4 mile .

Both engineering cars of win , for 1994

I have one , would love to own the other as well .

[Al]

stock JZA80 low 13's 1/4 mile .

[Mr Revhead]

Since when does 1/4 time have anything to do with a car being a sports car?

[2jayzgte]

Exactlty 1/4 mile times please it only gives one aspect of cars performance I can't believe alot of people could be so naieve to use this as a measure of overall car performance when comparing,I find that reallty frustrating especially with import car enthusiasts.

[Mr Revhead]

Yeha 1/4 times and Dyno figures and only a fraction of the picture

[deaf_rattle]

Yeha 1/4 times and Dyno figures and only a fraction of the picture

this is correct, but i bet a st205 will do better on gravel than a jza80.
and vice versa a jza80 is possibly better on a track environment.

And i dont see anyone saying that 1/4 is the be all and end all here, just some people getting defensive.

especially with import car enthusiasts? Pretty sure the old v8 boys etc used to be alot more into their drag times than your typical jap owner. And i wouldnt worry about peoples opinions on drag times bother me.

[Prymal]

all i was pointing out is for 1994 cars , they were bloody quick

[2jayzgte]

Yeha 1/4 times and Dyno figures and only a fraction of the picture

this is correct, but i bet a st205 will do better on gravel than a jza80.
and vice versa a jza80 is possibly better on a track environment.

And i dont see anyone saying that 1/4 is the be all and end all here, just some people getting defensive.

especially with import car enthusiasts? Pretty sure the old v8 boys etc used to be alot more into their drag times than your typical jap owner. And i wouldnt worry about peoples opinions on drag times bother me.

Not really every 2nd person that asks me its the same all the time how much power on the dyno closely followed by how fast has it gone down the 1/4....I don't even bother with a reply when people ask thats how many times I've been asked..

[mr_monkey]

Yeha 1/4 times and Dyno figures and only a fraction of the picture

this is correct, but i bet a st205 will do better on gravel than a jza80.

What, so now a "sports car" has to be good on gravel?

PS, i love this thread.

[deaf_rattle]

Yeha 1/4 times and Dyno figures and only a fraction of the picture

this is correct, but i bet a st205 will do better on gravel than a jza80.

What, so now a "sports car" has to be good on gravel?

PS, i love this thread.

haha, idiocy, now available in brand new flavour.

[mr_monkey]

So what about ae101's and 111's... Sporty cars or sports cars?

[Bling]

Sporty, but only if you have chromies.