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Anyone have a jzx90/100/110 or similar as a tow car ?

Postby AE85.6 » Tue May 08, 2012 12:00 am

Just wandering who has what and what they think ?

Have just been seeing a few reasonably priced ones around and thought along with being a nice cruiser could still be gutsy for towing car on trailer duties ? Mostly 1j but the odd 2j ones also.

Plus all the later ones I see if not turbo have the 1jzfe not ge ? I know wikipedia is never wrong and that they do the 1jzge also just have seen them. In the later ones would an fe model have the same other bits as ge as far as diff gearbox brakes etc ?

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Postby d1 mule » Tue May 08, 2012 3:23 am

would assume the fe would have same as iirc they have more power with the direct injection
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Postby AE85.6 » Tue May 08, 2012 2:49 pm

I thought that may be the case as I read it is supposed to be same power but more econo from d4, was there a d4 1jzge or only vvti non ?
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Postby Looonie » Tue May 08, 2012 4:30 pm

Had JZX91 (2JZ-GE) and towed a car trailer coupla times, handled it ok but not fantastically.

Ideally you want seperate chassis not monocoque when pulling car trailer.

Later model JZX110 came 1JZ-FSE rather than 1JZ-GE, JZX91/JZX101 came 2JZ-GE. Bigger capacity is your friend for towing rather than turbo.

Brake upgrades, Tourer V twin pots are bolt on and big improvement, can get offset nuts to go JZA80 4 pots if you want more, but again its down to what the chassis can handle without pretzeling itself and/or staying stable in emergency braking situations.
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Postby VR-4Squid » Tue May 08, 2012 8:05 pm

You also ideally want the tow car to be heavier than the trailer and load.
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Postby AE85.6 » Tue May 08, 2012 10:03 pm

Loonie:
Cheers for that, is that so pulling stress is through chasis base only and prob straight and even vs through the whole ass of the car unevenly ? prob why vans utes trucks etc are like that I guess.

Ye was looking n/a 1j/2j etc,
From memory your one was 1j and you put 2j in or was it factory 2j ?
If was a swap what was before an after like ?


VR-4Squid:
For sure nose should be the heavier and I know was a pretty vague question not sayin what car and towing what either. At present was think jzx something and ae85 (at present) on the back and even though some trailers are pretty light some are not so even that combo could be getting even weight. If I found a crown or something it would be a bit more solid I guess.
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Postby holden_fan2005 » Tue May 08, 2012 11:34 pm

I've done a bit of research on this type of thing in regards to soarers (pretty much same type of thing).

A number of people mentioned that this type of chassis isn't much different to the likes of a falcon or commodore?? Also, have been told that they are the typical toyota over engineered type of thing.

Another thing would be the trailer, some tow bloody well, some are a right bastard!!

Will be putting a towbar on the soarer to tow the crx around anyway :D
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Postby AE85.6 » Tue May 08, 2012 11:54 pm

Yes soarers also I thought were good bang for buck for a tow beast however would rather 4 doors ideally.

And yes you are right there are trailers and then there are trailers, only transporters I have pulled were with my old ln130 surf. Surf was nice and heavy so handled well just pretty slow even when not towing but one trailer I hired was huge I could have had another surf on it with half a metre free whole way round, also had one solid chequer plate ramp across whole width of deck so pointing up was like pulling a giant parachute and is was hugely heavy making a work out with nothing on it !
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Postby Looonie » Wed May 09, 2012 11:50 am

Nah my Mark2 was factory 2JZ-GE, just replaced the engine when it blew the head gasket.

Get a UCF10/20 celsior as a tow vehicle... pimpin luxury and 4.0l v8 up to the task... upgrade the brakes and whack a blower on it :P

But seriously, theres a reason almost everyone uses either a commonwhore or falcunt if not an SUV to tow their race cars... I know Toyota reliability and build quality is preferable, but I'd rather trash an oz built car than ruin a good Toyota if you're going to tow with a monocoque chassis.

Most of my car transporting I did with a 93 diesel Ford Courier single cab LWB. Slow as shit but stable and capable. If you have the funds, just go newer model with turbo diesel and it'll be a good vehicle. Then you can add airbags and french the number plate ;)

As you're towing an AE85 you might be able to get away with a single axle trailer, reducing the towed weight and allowing you to get away with something like Celsior/Mark2, but a tandem will be more stable and better in the long run.

tl;dr
Cheap option - Single axle trailer with Falcon tow car
Better option - Tandem axle trailer with SUV/Turbo diesel ute
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Postby Quint » Wed May 09, 2012 2:33 pm

VR-4Squid wrote:You also ideally want the tow car to be heavier than the trailer and load.

My two tonne SUV isn't going to weigh more than a car on a tandem trailer. Without getting something insanely big, or towing something small, you're pretty much never going to meet that criteria.

Solution? Braked trailer.
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Postby wde_bdy » Wed May 09, 2012 3:06 pm

Quint wrote:
VR-4Squid wrote:You also ideally want the tow car to be heavier than the trailer and load.

My two tonne SUV isn't going to weigh more than a car on a tandem trailer. Without getting something insanely big, or towing something small, you're pretty much never going to meet that criteria.

Solution? Braked trailer.


NZTA guidelines generally recommend 3/4 of tow vehicle weight for unbraked and 1.5 times tow vehicle weight for braked trailers as maximums. Be very careful of manufacturer tow ratings too, insurance companies can get nasty if you exceed them and have an accident.
I prefer full chassis for towing or at least long wheelbase, Falcon wagons for example are longer wheelbase than sedans and leaf spring is generally better than coil spring rear suspension.
I've lost a wheel on a single axle transport trailer and believe me, I was VERY VERY happy to be driving close to 2.5 tonne of full chassis tow vehicle.

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