1981 Lada 1600cc Rally Car 190hp 8 port

[Lloyd]

Datsun is now Nissan, who sold 4.5 million cars last year

[Alex B]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/ ... B920120320

Return of Datsun!

[bzrspeed]

thats ok cause 18.5 million lada rivas made.
Just shows how much of a bourgeois car the datsun is.

[RS13]

Its' a shame they very rarely come up for sale in NZ. I notice that there is a 2105 on TM at the moment, sold however.. 90% of the time the only ladas on the market are Niva 4wds!

[bzrspeed]

the lada niva is good still. The 2105 is my favourite. Plenty for sale if you know were to look.
Do you want one? I know were low km 1989 21 series, 5 speed it is 2199 new zealand dollar.

They are built so strong and built to last. Rust not normally an issue like other cars.
Get 1600 version as 1300 is slow. Come visit me and we drop race engine in. I have one in my garage. 140hp

[sergei]

I'm sorry but lada in general is utter piece of shit.

It is failure from beginning to end. Designed to be car for the masses, where they licensed wrong engine (rocker vs tappet), skimped on many safety aspects by using thicker sheet metal (compared to original fiat 124), shonky build quality, where the replacement parts you bought officially are parts that didn't pass the "quality" inspection on factory. Combined with Russian metallurgy you would be lucky if stock engine would last 50k before major rebuild.

People who were lucky to buy in soviet times, first thing they had to do is check every single bolt. It was very common to buy a car where they forgotten to fill diff with oil.

The reason why Lada includes repair manual and tool kit is because you will need it. Actually you will need it even before the first service, as there is always something they forgot to tighten or plug in.

The lack of quality can be traced to a simple things like bolts.
bzrspeed: take a random bolt off a japanese car and compare to random bolt of lada. Specifically how precise is the thread, and choice of thread pitch. Lada will have coarser thread, with huge tolerances and rough finish, hence they will "unscrew" themselves.

I never had bolts fallen out on japanese cars by themselves.

Do you know why people buy second hand Japanese LHD cars in Vladivostock region, which have huge kms on the speedo, instead of brand new Lada? Because from their experience the Toyota Corolla with 300kms will last longer, drive better, safer, comfortable, reliable, and will be more economical than brand new Lada.

Where I from, we didn't had access to Japanese cars, but people instead chose 20yo+ Opels over brand new Lada. Opel FFS!!!

Now Putin is promoting Lada Kalina, while not addressing many failures of said car and company that makes it. Correction, Putin is forcing everyone to buy Lada Kalina by using FUD (Fear Uncertainty Doubt) on imports, as there are laws in the works to completely cut off imports and prohibit current import fleet.

Here is an objective prolonged review of Lada Kalina (flagship Lada):
http://kalina.drom.ru/
Translation
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... drom.ru%2F

The image of lada that you are promoting here is a romantic delusion.

Lada will never be a good car, unless you take out of the picture Russian negligence, thievery, corruption and general not giving a $&#$% that is ingrained in Russian mentality.

If lada is operated by Russians and factories are manned by Russians then they will always mass produce rotten piles of shit.

[rolla_fxgt]

Didn't the ladas that came into NZ come as part payment for the USSR butter debt that they couldn't pay?

We accepted them, as the offer of nuclear subs, fighter jets, and tanks was turned down by the govt of the day as being unacceptable

[sergei]

Didn't the ladas that came into NZ come as part payment for the USSR butter debt that they couldn't pay?

We accepted them, as the offer of nuclear subs, fighter jets, and tanks was turned down by the govt of the day as being unacceptable

Yes, and NZ was lucky to get export variant, which had better quality control and generally came with nicer interior. Meanwhile all these thing never changed that it still remained utter shit.

[bzrspeed]

i am sorry if i offended you all. I just eanted to show off some photos of my previous job. I enjoy working on cars, does not matter what type as long as not mazda.

I am sorry i offended. I will stop talking about lada.

We only got japanese cars once cold war ended.

[snwtoy]

Didn't the ladas that came into NZ come as part payment for the USSR butter debt that they couldn't pay?

We accepted them, as the offer of nuclear subs, fighter jets, and tanks was turned down by the govt of the day as being unacceptable

It's a shame, an airforce with sukhois rather than skyhawks would have been awesome

[Bling]

No one is offended, we just like a good discussion. Lots of banter back and forth doesn't mean someone is offended. Discuss away. I'd love a Niva for a weekend bit of 4wd fun.

Everyone will have different views.

[snwtoy]

i am sorry if i offended you all. I just eanted to show off some photos of my previous job. I enjoy working on cars, does not matter what type as long as not mazda.

I am sorry i offended. I will stop talking about lada.

We only got japanese cars once cold war ended.

Trust me you're not offending anyone, you're just talking to car nuts in a county where lada has a very bad reputation, probably the worst manufacturer reputation in the country

[Snoozin]

Lada's are badass. in 1986 the factory team left both of their works Lada rally cars here. FACTOID.









Courtesy of a nice man from the Ukraine who signed up to oldschool.

[sergei]

i am sorry if i offended you all. I just eanted to show off some photos of my previous job. I enjoy working on cars, does not matter what type as long as not mazda.

I am sorry i offended. I will stop talking about lada.

We only got japanese cars once cold war ended.

No offence. and I meant no offence.
This a forum after all.

Your old job was a cool place to work in.

All I am saying that russian cars are not good.

As far as reputation: Lada has very bad reputation in Russia (as all other Russian cars). It is just economic situations makes people drive Russian cars as they are very cheap. People who have a choice, they choose not to drive Ladas, and instead buy imports.


As for easy to work on, does not make the car better.
For example it is much easier to work on Chinese 50cc two stroke scooter, but it does not make it better than Hayabusa.

[bzrspeed]

mig29 would have been cool in new zealand.
Imagine new zealand army with t64 tank. They would be good.

Lada had few issues, just like any car. Engine were strong and powerful and lasted a long time.
Large tollarance is just normal with russian equiptment. It just makes them last longer and dont brake down.
Still a escort much more realiable then a lada 2105

[bzrspeed]

i have never had issue with russian car. Skoda also make good cars. Skoda 120l very good.

Did you know lada enter wrc group b with lada vtfs?

[Snoozin]

^ If you read my post you would have discovered that yes, at least one of us here knows this, and at least one of these cars exists here in NZ still.

[bzrspeed]

i didnt read sorry. i want to see those cars, any idea where they are?

[bzrspeed]

russia make some very good things, large tollarance is always thier trade mark.

Old work for sale. With 4 bedroom house and workshop €21,000. Someone please buy it and i will work for you.

When get out of jail in 1991 i remember the flood of japanese cars arriving and the que to scrap the lada, tada and skodas. Pitty all the cars got destroyed. Would make good rally cars today
(i went to jail in anti goverment protest. Was arrested and went to jail for 2 weeks, goverment change and was realeased. I met my girl friend during the protest)

[dnalunchie]

man imagine NZ with 1990 era soviet weapons, that would be freaking awesome. The soviet tech at the end of the cold war was still top notch!.

Migs and tanks and hinds!