What engine for my carina?

AE85coupe · Post by **AE85coupe** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:31 pm

yeah no offence man, but i kinda want some hard proof about the weight of a 13bt

cause i seem to remember a renesis engine with all the shit hanging off it was in the 90kg mark

i would have though a 13bt would be fairly similar, but i have no idea really

someone out there must know there rotaries???

RS13 · Post by **RS13** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:31 pm

Yes, the 13B turbo may be heavier due to less internal space, but the physical size of the motor is what makes them so awesome for weight distribution, they can be set so low and so close to the firewall, that I'd say they'd be better than a 1UZ in a small car anyday. And you don't even need to go turbo, get a peripheral port 13B, run a dirty huge IDA, you'll be pulling close to 300hp at 11,000rpm.. and for a motor that small with a few decent mods (well, modded oil feed, doweled block, lightened rotors, carbon apex seals etc) you'd have plenty of power, great handling, and you'll have to beat the rotor skanks off with a cricket bat! Hahaha..

Alex B · Post by **Alex B** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:32 pm

Well i remember the guy that put an sr20det in his batman saying it was lighter than the 13B.

AE85coupe · Post by **AE85coupe** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:33 pm

pyro_sniper2002 wrote:Well i remember the guy that put an sr20det in his batman saying it was lighter than the 13B.

sr20det in a batman.... what a winner... shit a brick

Alex B · Post by **Alex B** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:35 pm

Id hit it

It was on preformance car tv or something a few years ago. Imported the car with a blown engine.

deaf_rattle · Post by **deaf_rattle** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:35 pm

the rx7 would be a nice car if it had a better motor
Evil_si had it sorted....

yes you could probably get the 13b in a better posistion, but what do they cost cmpared to a 1uz?

deaf_rattle · Post by **deaf_rattle** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:37 pm

best rx7 ever

RS13 · Post by **RS13** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:40 pm

AE85coupe wrote:yeah no offence man, but i kinda want some hard proof about the weight of a 13bt

cause i seem to remember a renesis engine with all the sh*t hanging off it was in the 90kg mark

i would have though a 13bt would be fairly similar, but i have no idea really

someone out there must know there rotaries???

My mate picked up a 12A minus manifolds, and carried about 30m.. lets' see anyone here do that with a 1UZ! 13B turbos are slightly longer and considerably heavier, not sure how much more though.. but 185kg seems a tad heavy.

The intermediate plate, end plates and rotors are cast, which is where most of the weight comes from, add to that the crank, oil setup.. and the lack of internal space makes them pretty solid. I'm pretty sure that the later model SR20DETs have an alloy block and head (?) which would make them pretty damn light!

deaf_rattle · Post by **deaf_rattle** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:42 pm

1uzs are all alloy

RS13 · Post by **RS13** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:52 pm

Yes, but as a size comparison they're also 2 4cyl motors stuck together.

AE85coupe · Post by **AE85coupe** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:53 pm

deaf_rattle wrote:best rx7 ever

no way man

this is

go the 26b hybrid

crnkin · Post by **crnkin** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 5:58 pm

AE85coupe wrote:cause i seem to remember a renesis engine with all the sh*t hanging off it was in the 90kg mark

I think your memory illudes you. But really.

A complete 13b NA weighs just under the weight of a complete 1j, and a 13b turbo just over. I cant remember the exact figures ( could google it i guess) but it was something like 145kg for 13b, 160kg for 2j, and 165kg for 13bt.

A 1uz is lighter than 145kg, all alloy ftw.

AE85coupe · Post by **AE85coupe** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:04 pm

crnkin wrote:
AE85coupe wrote:cause i seem to remember a renesis engine with all the sh*t hanging off it was in the 90kg mark

I think your memory illudes you. But really.

A complete 13b NA weighs just under the weight of a complete 1j, and a 13b turbo just over. I cant remember the exact figures ( could google it i guess) but it was something like 145kg for 13b, 160kg for 2j, and 165kg for 13bt.

A 1uz is lighter than 145kg, all alloy ftw.

Yay someone who actually knows woohooo!

yeah my memory is not to be trusted

deaf_rattle · Post by **deaf_rattle** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 6:25 pm

crnkin wrote:
AE85coupe wrote:cause i seem to remember a renesis engine with all the sh*t hanging off it was in the 90kg mark

I think your memory illudes you. But really.

A complete 13b NA weighs just under the weight of a complete 1j, and a 13b turbo just over. I cant remember the exact figures ( could google it i guess) but it was something like 145kg for 13b, 160kg for 2j, and 165kg for 13bt.

A 1uz is lighter than 145kg, all alloy ftw.

that weight of 145 must be without accessories.... they are very light motors though, but the accessories arent weightless

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:17 pm

yeah rotaries are not as light as a lot of ppl think!

go the BEAMS 3sge dave! youv already got one!!!

not a hard fit. and then when youv sorted the suspension etc then you can look for more power.
no point building a 500hp car first up

Skin · Post by **Skin** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:44 pm

A basic 13b block(nothing attached at all)weighs around 85kg. How you could think it weighed much more than that is dumbfounding. If i can pick up my block(albeit not very high off the ground, or for very long) do you really think its going to be over 100kg, let alone the figures you guys are throwing around :lol:

deaf_rattle · Post by **deaf_rattle** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:48 pm

around, see thats not an exact figure
i can pick up a gsr gearbox in one hand and hold it in place while it gets bolted up, yet i cant tell you how much it weighs..
i did a google search and averaged a few results.
and you dont just put the bare block in a car and go for a drive.. unless your name is barney or fred

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:49 pm

yes.
coz they are.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:53 pm

google appears to be saying 13b NON turbo weights 146ish kg assembled as it would be in a car.

Skin · Post by **Skin** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:56 pm

no your quite right, but even with accessories bolted up, i cant see it doubling its weight. I cant see the bits bolted to my engine weighing over 30kg all up

And no warwick, they arent