2ZZ into AE92

Website · Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:03 pm

how hard is it to get a 2ZZ (with lift) installed into an AE92?
what gearbox/axles etc would you need to use?

any idea what the 2ZZ's and appropriate manual boxes go for roughly?

chur!

OMG so shiny! · Post by **Dell'Orto** » Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:27 pm

Your blacktop siezed? :lol:

Website · Tue Mar 06, 2012 10:33 pm

no, just weighing up options!

captain crescent · Post by **captain crescent** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:25 am

DO IT!!!!!!! the motor and boxes i have seen are around 3 g for motor box and ecu......

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:44 am

Google will lead you to a page where a guy has done it (I've been linked to it myself at one stage).

Also you could use PsychoHamster's AW11 build for some guidelines.

Looks like a pretty major mission ... have you even used your race car? If not, do you really want a three year build process before you have a play car ... [devil's advocate]

1I1 · Post by **1I1** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:12 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B9jTh8KPyQ

That is all

But as per Leon's post, theres a few people that have done this. Re-use your C52 mounts on the C60, then just make an adaptor for the mount up by the timing cover

Bazda · Post by **Bazda** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:06 pm

easily done.

Guy in aussie I know just did one.
He used the 4age C series box, and made an adapter plate for the drivers side eng mount.

Everything else just bolted up when using the c series 4age box.

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:16 pm

One thing I found when test driving a couple of the 2zzge Corolla's, was that it was only just barely possible to keep the !@()@)#ing car on the @)#)@(#ing cam.

Is that situation improved or made worse by use of the C series 4AGE box?

Don't get me wrong here, I've got an AE92 club car currently running a silvertop, and one of the first things I thought when driving a 2zz was "Faaaaaaaaark this would be fun in my car". But then I started wondering about the gear ratios issue.

What are people's thoughts on the subject?

1I1 · Post by **1I1** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:35 pm

You're not alone there re coming off lift. Drove Craig's (bones_on_bikes) RunX and found that / being a passenger also it annoyed me that Toyota seemed to do something stupid like this.

If doing a conversion factor in a ECU upgrade and then you can drop the lift point to make it more "usable".

Website · Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:51 pm

my plan would be to run an aftermarket ECU in my case anyway
Leon: its been years since this bastard has driven anyway, whats another 3 years?@?@
its got the blacktop sitting in there now, but its not wired up. brand new G3 link is still in box from 2+ years ago
figured blacktop isnt powerful enough for decent events, so figured 2zz might be next option!

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:48 pm

So you want something faster to not race? :lol:

I've done about a zillion events in the silvertop Corolla, which is WAY down on power compared to your blacktop version

flying_wedge · Post by **flying_wedge** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:56 pm

Stay 6 speed to help keep it on cam.
SW20 axles work for the AW11, do these work for the fwd layout for a levin?

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:24 pm

1I1 wrote:You're not alone there re coming off lift. Drove Craig's (bones_on_bikes) RunX and found that / being a passenger also it annoyed me that Toyota seemed to do something stupid like this.

If doing a conversion factor in a ECU upgrade and then you can drop the lift point to make it more "usable".

I wonder what that would feel like.
The lift switch point is bang on where the two cam profiles torque curves overlap

Bazda · Post by **Bazda** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:32 pm

Taken from another forum.

Made some small modifications to the top AE82 gearbox mount base plate and bolted up the other AE82 brackets, then threw the box in the bay to check fitment. Plate mods involved slotting holes and using an end-mill to make a flat surface for the bolt heads.
Found out that the webbing on the 2zz sump fouls on the AE82 crossmember, so sectioned the crossmember. This pic shows the sectioned area ready to be plated up:

With that done I bolted the engine in to check the rest of the fitment. Found that the head fouls on the brake master cylinder, so will be retrofitting a ZZE122 non ABS brake master and possibly booster also which will solve the clearance issue:

I cut the metal part off the AE82 insulator that held the studs and tacked on a bit of 20mm square bar.
Then milled some recesses for the bolt heads in the zze123 alloy bracket, drilled some 10mm holes and turned up a locating sleeve that allowed me to accurately drill the required 8.5mm holes for the M10x1.25 tap:

Holes were then tapped and the mount is basically done. Will remove the insulator tomorrow, trim the excess bar and weld in webbing to reinforce it, then a sandblast and coat of paint will have it finished.

Finished off the timing cover mount parts, sandblasted the alloy section and painted the steel insulator, also sat the AE112 booster and master in place and the master has a ton of clearance to the head:

Skip forward a few pages:

OMG so shiny! · Post by **Dell'Orto** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:39 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:
1I1 wrote:You're not alone there re coming off lift. Drove Craig's (bones_on_bikes) RunX and found that / being a passenger also it annoyed me that Toyota seemed to do something stupid like this.

If doing a conversion factor in a ECU upgrade and then you can drop the lift point to make it more "usable".

I wonder what that would feel like.
The lift switch point is bang on where the two cam profiles torque curves overlap

Maybe a little less lightswitchy?

1I1 · Post by **1I1** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:08 pm

Will let you know once bones_on_bikes does this to his race car Allex. He's in the process of getting the parts required together to alter it.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:25 pm

I manage to speak to Lynn Rogers when he was doing the TRS engines and he told me they played with different switch points and the stock setting was the best.
Then again the gear ratios in those would allow it to stay on cam more.
It might feel more comfortable. But I reckon speed would suffer. How much? Who knows! Might help drivebility in corners though.

KinLoud · Post by **KinLoud** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:58 pm

keep blacktop,
drive it heaps until you're feeling the need for more speed
spend $ on tubro
buy new trousers as required

Better power/value for your $ because you're not reinventing the wheel
And tubro always gives better value for money!

siren676 · Post by **siren676** » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:17 pm

If these guys could fit a 2zzge into an ep82 an ae92 should be alot easier.

Leon · Post by **Leon** » Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:10 am

Yeah, but there are cars out there with tank and plane engines in cars.

Just because somebody can do it, doesn't mean it's easy (or a good idea).

:lol: