Wairau Rd BP no longer ultimate?

sergei · Post by **sergei** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:57 pm

I just drove past through newly rebuilt BP on Wairau Rd and looks like it didn't had blue handles...
It still had ultimate sign (although it might have been diesel).

So where on the shore you can get BP Ultimate now?

MrOizo · Post by **MrOizo** » Fri Sep 06, 2013 11:30 pm

http://www.bpfinder.co.nz/

It lists Ultimate as being at Wairua. Maybe needs an update.

There's one on Cnr Rosedale & Apollo Rds.

Makaveli · Post by **Makaveli** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:08 pm

I think they either phasing it out slowly or reducing number of sites with Ultimate 98. I went to BP Herne Bay, half the pumps were 95 & other half were 98. Previously all the pumps had 98.

I think given the current fuel price of 91 + 17 Cents per litre extra you pay for 98, the demand has decreased. I remember the good old days, when it was 9 cents more than 91.

Herne Bay is a posh area, so I can only imagine what would demand be for 98 in other regions.....

sergei · Post by **sergei** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:53 pm

Actually I was wrong.
The new pumps have all three octane ratings: three handles for each, when I past it first time the blue handles (ultimate) were obscured by yellow handles (95).
So Wairau Rd BP still serve Ultimate.

Bling · Post by **Bling** » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:56 pm

Would read thread again.

blindnz · Post by **blindnz** » Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:23 am

On the upside Mobil has 98 to. The northcote one does.

Only about 1000km drive from you bzg!

tsoob · Post by **tsoob** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 9:41 am

BZG|Bling wrote:Would read thread again.

x2

MAC_HATER · Post by **MAC_HATER** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 10:30 am

eh you guys dont need it,

send a single pump down here, driving 440km round trip for a tank of 98 isint a well thought plan for me

duddley · Post by **duddley** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:00 pm

The Mobil 1 km from my house has discounted 98 and a subway inside it, damn I hate Auckland

sergei · Post by **sergei** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:02 pm

People are too cheap. They put 91 in their high compression ratio cars (ie any modern car) and waste more fuel than they save on price difference. False economy.

GDII · Post by **GDII** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:11 pm

Also people probably haven't been told that running 91 in most modern cars is bad for the engine and economy.

Adoom · Post by **Adoom** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:59 pm

GDII wrote:Also people probably haven't been told that running 91 in most modern cars is bad for the engine and economy.

Define "modern".
'93 AE100 = ?

I put 91 in it because I never drive it and am financially over extended rather than cheap.

sergei · Post by **sergei** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:16 pm

Adoom wrote:
GDII wrote:Also people probably haven't been told that running 91 in most modern cars is bad for the engine and economy.

Define "modern".
'93 AE100 = ?

I put 91 in it because I never drive it and am financially over extended rather than cheap.

Again, false economy, if you can afford to put 10L of 91 then you can afford to put 8L of 95 and get same mileage.

Here is the checklist:

does it have knock sensor?
does it have c/r above 9:1 (N/A)?

Then most likely it will be more economical on the 95 than 91 including the price difference. Especially if it is JDM vehicle.

MAC_HATER · Post by **MAC_HATER** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:20 pm

watched a 3S-GE beams altezza knock and ping its way into the servo last night for its owner to chuck in $20 of 91, before knocking off back into traffic

there was not enough cringe available at the time for me

sergei · Post by **sergei** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:26 pm

BTW even a econobox like 5AFE has 9.8 to 1 compression ratio.

rest of "budget" engines:
1NZ-FE: 10.5 to 1
3S-FE: 9.8 to 1
4S-FE: 9.5 to 1
5S-FE: 9.5 to 1
1ZZ-FE: 10 to 1
2AZ-FE: 9.8 to 1
4E-FE: 9.6 to 1
7A-FE: 9.5 to 1
5E-FE: 9.8 to 1

They are all high compression engines.

GDII · Post by **GDII** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 1:45 pm

My car is 1990 GEN2 3S-GE 10:1 ratio. Always use 95. 91 goes in the EP81.

I told my friend with a Yaris (1NZ) to use 95 but wouldn't listen. Can't be good for an engine with high comp running 91.

VR-4Squid · Post by **VR-4Squid** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:14 pm

I've seen an old chap down here putting 91 in his Merc SLS - almost made me cry! :cry:

sergei · Post by **sergei** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 2:24 pm

http://youtu.be/gQghB4asSnI

molex · Post by **molex** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 3:22 pm

While I agree with everything said and exclusively run my cars on 98, there are some exceptions to the high compression = high octane rule..

1zz-fe despite being 10:1 was specifically designed with some advanced 'taper squish' piston/head intended to reduce knock resistance with sub-par fuel, they're officially recommended to run on 91. That's not to say you wouldn't improve mileage with more octane, but in this case it might not actually stack up to savings as the timing retard would not be extreme.

sergei · Post by **sergei** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:47 pm

molex wrote:While I agree with everything said and exclusively run my cars on 98, there are some exceptions to the high compression = high octane rule..

1zz-fe despite being 10:1 was specifically designed with some advanced 'taper squish' piston/head intended to reduce knock resistance with sub-par fuel, they're officially recommended to run on 91. That's not to say you wouldn't improve mileage with more octane, but in this case it might not actually stack up to savings as the timing retard would not be extreme.

As far as I understand the ignition system has enough lee-way to take advantage of the high octane anyway.

For example my wife's 1NZ-FE, on 95 it averages about 9.0-9.5L/100Km around the city, on 98 it averages about 8.0-8.5L/100Km same driving patterns. On highway it is ~6 vs ~7L/100Km. I never put 91 in it so have no idea, what it would do, but I suspect it will scale similar.

Regarding recommended fuel, the export variant have different tune to JDM.