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Postby buriedalive » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:10 pm

So I've made up my new aluminium intercooler piping, had some welded but need the ends flared/ridged to stop the silicon joiners sliding off under boost. Who does that? Exhaust shop? Pitstop? Guttering installer?
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Postby Bling » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:12 pm

Anyone that welds aluminium should be able to do it.
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Postby XSVWGN » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:40 pm

Alloy is soft and might crack. I ran into this problem so i just had my welder weld an alloy bead around the edge of the pipe. I run decent power and have never had any trouble with pipes coming off


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Postby Quint » Thu Sep 29, 2011 6:27 pm

^^ As above, works.
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Re: Intercooler pipe flaring/ridging

Postby Mr Ree » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:18 pm

buriedalive wrote:So I've made up my new aluminium intercooler piping, had some welded but need the ends flared/ridged to stop the silicon joiners sliding off under boost. Who does that? Exhaust shop? Pitstop? Guttering installer?


How much boost are you planning on running, and what turbo?

Before I went na-t, I read plenty of storys about couplers popping off, but I expect alot of it will be a case of loose/cheap clamps.

For what its worth, Ive never popped a coupler off but Im only running 11/12psi through a small T4.
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Postby h8wrxs » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:33 pm

ive popped silicon joiners off on both my evo and my gtx, the gtx would do it as soon as i spooled up to about 14psi...

i think its worth getting the ends lipped/flared
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Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:49 pm

You really want to find someone with something similar to this:
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You can buy here
http://www.beadform.com/product.html

Similar ones here
http://shop.useful-tools.co.uk/hand-bea ... ol-4-p.asp

And some DIY ideas here
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/custom- ... -tool.html

You could also try a few sheetmetal places to see if they have bead rollers, they might tend to be this style:
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And the rollers may be too large to fit inside your pipe
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Postby MAGN1T » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:24 pm

I've got pipes wired together with tabs welded onto the pipes. They'll never blow apart. Don't need ricer hoseclamps either.

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Postby Dell'Orto » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:35 pm

Cause jubilee clips are soooooooooooooo rice. Damn those factory ricers!
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Postby buriedalive » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:44 pm

Not sure about boost levels yet as the 1J is only running 2JZ injectors with the T04Z but that bead roller is exactly what I was thinking of. If I don't go that route I'll probably get a lip welded on the ends. Cheers
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Postby evil_si » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:52 pm

I have a bead roller, also referred to as a croxing tool for plumbers

With alloy pipes I find it best to use standard type hose clamps, T bolt clamps have a bad habit of deforming the soft alloy pipe even at relatively low torques
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Postby kiwi4agze » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:54 pm

Use aircraft alloy pipping, You can get it in different sizes, not that expensive and some weird angles... I am using it to hook my intercooler up to my supercharger. Easy to join and very strong and light.
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Postby Mr Ree » Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:03 pm

Thats an interesting fact about the t bolt clamps deforming soft alloy pipes, cheers for that tidbit evil si :)

I have 3" stainless steel so I dont think I can crush that.

I guess I should take advice and get my pipe ends beaded so I dont find out the hard way why people do it. I plan on increasing boost a few psi once the new box goes in so I may as well pre empt the issue.
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Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:08 pm

evil_si wrote:I have a bead roller, also referred to as a croxing tool for plumbers

With alloy pipes I find it best to use standard type hose clamps, T bolt clamps have a bad habit of deforming the soft alloy pipe even at relatively low torques

I've heard them referred to as croxing tools too, but google didn't seem to agree. I usually borrow Alert Motorsport's one, it's a bit simpler than the ones I posted and looks like it would be cheaper - is it likely that plumbing supply shops would carry them?
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Postby Malcolm » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:10 pm

MAGN1T wrote:I've got pipes wired together with tabs welded onto the pipes. They'll never blow apart. Don't need ricer hoseclamps either.

Steve

Sounds like a pain in the ass to work on. But at least you're not a ricer with hoseclamps n shit.
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Postby Mr Ree » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:23 pm

Do I need to take off my hose clamps now?

I dont want to be a ricer

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Postby XSVWGN » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:34 pm

I run T-bolt clamps on my alloy piping and run 18-23psi at the moment and havent had any problems with pipes changing shape etc now pipes blowing off and i only have small beads around the ends of pipes ....
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Postby Mr Ree » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:05 pm

All good mate, I was just being cheeky. ;)
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Postby GOLDAE86 » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:13 pm

The tool required is called a Jenny or swaging tool. Hope that helps
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Postby thegreatestben » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:47 pm

My piping just had a few runs of weld on the ends of the piping, don't need to run a bead all the around. No problems at 20 psi with normal hose clamps or T bolt clamps
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