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by **wanado13's** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 12:36 pm

hey just wondering is it a straight forward bolt on when putting a ae101 lsd gearbox onto a ae92 levin, both gtz.

by **wanado13's** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:13 am

doesn't anybody know? It's kinda important cos ive got the gearbox ready to be put in but i don't wana get my car pulled apart to be told it doesn't fit? one of you car buffs must know

by **Bazda** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 12:32 pm

straight fit!! except your drive shafts may be a bit to long and might need to shorten them down, depending on how low your car is.

does your new lsd box have a hexagon bar if u look through the centre where the drive shafts go in??

by **wanado13's** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:39 pm

not that i can see aye, is that good or bad?

by **celica_tommo** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:58 pm

apparently all E series gearboxes will have a bar going across if they are LSD

by **Fred** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:14 pm

yea i have pulled part 2 gear boxes now that were meant to be lsd!!! and they didnt have the hexagon ar through the middle. they ended up having 4 spider gears in the diff therefore not lsd.
2 of my mates oth with ae101 gtzs have lsd's, both with the hexagon ar through the middle and both u can spin 1 wheel and the other wheel will spin the same way.

by **Bazda** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 7:17 pm

Fred wrote:yea i have pulled part 2 gear boxes now that were meant to be lsd!!! and they didnt have the hexagon ar through the middle. they ended up having 4 spider gears in the diff therefore not lsd.
2 of my mates oth with ae101 gtzs have lsd's, both with the hexagon ar through the middle and both u can spin 1 wheel and the other wheel will spin the same way.

opps freds computer signed in as him, forgot to logout and change it to me.

by **wanado13's** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:03 pm

arsehole, im going to have to have a chat with the guy who sold it to me, if it had a after market lsd would it still have the hexagon thing, i had a look down there and didn't see it, is it blatently right there or is it hard to see?

by **Bazda** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:40 pm

check out this link some guy post up some pics and they are correct.

http://www.twincam.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=4328

soem gusy say that soem diffs that u can see through without a hexagon bar are lsd but i find this hard to beleive now.
I have had 3 guys tried to sell me diffs that are and they been told are LSD, pulled them apart and not an lsd so they were kinda surprised.

I think wreckers think that all gtz's no matter what model have lsd's because they have a supercharger. This is where it all goes wrong.

by **wanado13's** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 11:20 pm

yea having a look at that site the bar is plainly there i wouldn't miss that. I rang the guy who i bought it from and he said he bought it from speed factor in gizzy and they told him was lsd, he sai it always did twin spinners but he's guna ring the guy tomorrow and see what he has to say, told him to ask about the hexagon bar so it'l be interesting to see what they say.

by **vvega** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:13 pm

heres a interesting piont
open diffs need that bar as well
after all a lsd is just a open diff with clutches
as far as i was aware the solid centre with a whole normall indicated that it has a torsen diff as they do not have spider gears as such

my mr2 box has the hole in the middle centre and accoring to them it will not be lsd though
im pulling the box apart tonight and will have pics to show why or why not this type of diff has no support for spider gears :S

v

by **Bazda** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:00 pm

jsut bought a lsd box today

FINALLY!

well its totoally different when u look down the middle, has the hex bar, and also if u look down the opposite end, the hole for the shaft is split into 2 shaft holes which line up and are the same. You can spin the other end without thsplit shaft hole and this turns the spider gears inside the diff making the other shaft end turn the opposite way but the other spline does not spin.
Once u put the shafts and lock in that other spline with the diff then both drive shafts will spin the same way.(hmm cant explain very well can I).
Meaning it then turns the torque covnerter for the viscous!! woohoo LSD.

i should get some pics up soon so u know what i'm talking about.

by **wanado13's** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:08 pm

So without the hexagon bar it's definitely not lsd? how much did you score yours for bazda? and would the driveshafts out of my non lsd driveshafts go into a lsd gearbox?

by **thaphatty** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:42 pm

isnt that "hexagon bar" just the spider shaft?

i agree with vvega

by **vvega** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:37 pm

ok pulled the ae-101 gtz-lsd box apart
and the s/c mr2 box that i have

here we go

the diff that has what appears to be a solid centre has four spiders and is not a lsd

the diff that has the shaft in the centre is a viscous lsd
it only has 2 spider gears and a viscous coupling
the easy way to tell is the bar

also if you look at the splines in the in the box side of the diff
you will see it has 2 indipendent splines
this couples the viscous to the live live axel
i will have lots of pics later on
i took a hole heap

been a very expensive learning experance

there are also substantal differences in the mr2 and 101 internals
the mr is quite a lot beefer in every aspect

whilest the 101 has way better internal oiling and less internal loss

i have pics of the gearsets as well and these show the mr gearset is 1/2 as wide again per gear
and reverse and 5th is double the width
and the mr hasent got reverce synco unlike the 101

anyways i sould have some pics later

v

v

by **Bazda** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:56 pm

vvega wrote:ok pulled the ae-101 gtz-lsd box apart
and the s/c mr2 box that i have

here we go

the diff that has what appears to be a solid centre has four spiders and is not a lsd

the diff that has the shaft in the centre is a viscous lsd
it only has 2 spider gears and a viscous coupling
the easy way to tell is the bar

also if you look at the splines in the in the box side of the diff
you will see it has 2 indipendent splines
this couples the viscous to the live live axel
i will have lots of pics later on
i took a hole heap

been a very expensive learning experance

there are also substantal differences in the mr2 and 101 internals
the mr is quite a lot beefer in every aspect

whilest the 101 has way better internal oiling and less internal loss

i have pics of the gearsets as well and these show the mr gearset is 1/2 as wide again per gear
and reverse and 5th is double the width
and the mr hasent got reverce synco unlike the 101

anyways i sould have some pics later

v

v

Just like I have always said

by **vvega** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:59 pm

lol
was more to explane why teh open diff didnt have a hex bar for th pinions
i thought that made it confusing

by **Bazda** » Mon Sep 27, 2004 6:14 pm

vvega wrote:lol
was more to explane why teh open diff didnt have a hex bar for th pinions
i thought that made it confusing

yea your explanation was alot better than mine :roll:

But now we know the story with these diffs so everyone can now be pointed in the right direction.

by **low_rider** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:10 am

so what happened has tht dude got back to you

by **wanado13's** » Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:04 am

got ahold of hima nd he said he'd give my money back once he'd talked to speedfactor. Since then i've e-mailed him 3 times txt him twice and he isn't pikin up his cell. don't think i'm getting any money back unless one of you toyspeeders who live in gizzy wanna pay him a visit? how much does it cost to make a gearbos lsd?

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