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Postby 2LTR Rona » Tue May 24, 2005 2:54 pm

after spending $$'s on alloys & new springs its time to spend some in the engine bay.

Things that i guess will be targeted are Air-Intake, Plugs, Leads,' do you agree' ?

So what recommendations can you make on products & places to purchase from that will give better performance
(and yep i know it will only be marginal V's the current stock set-up), without going down the road of putting in a 3S-GTE or similar in.
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Postby bad20v » Tue May 24, 2005 5:07 pm

Just depends on how much money you want to spend on your car.
Basic mods:

Aftermarket pod fiter
Cold air induction/ Cold air box
Cat-back exhaust system
Plugs/leads etc
Change the oil to a higher quality synthetic brand

After that:

Extractors - full exhaust system
Aftermarket engine management system

Modifying your car is pretty much like Gran Turismo, basic mods are cheap, but if you want more power you've got to spend some dollars.

Or save up your money for a 3SGTE conversion. Instant Power Gain!!
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Postby 2LTR Rona » Tue May 24, 2005 5:21 pm

in an ideal world i'd just slap the 3SGTE in, but since i have the other two projects on the go, i think i might just have to settle with little steps before i start running.

looking at cold air induction, plus & leads, what are the better products to look at. And what about suppliers are there sme I should just forget about looking at ?
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Postby bad20v » Wed May 25, 2005 10:13 am

Plugs: Platinuims or Iridiums seem the way to go. Proberly NGK's

Leads: Champion or Spitfire

Cold air induction: Depends what you want to do. If your car has the standard air intake system, then just replacing the panel filter with a K&N panel filter would be the way to go. Or you can get rid of the whole standard unit and put in a pod filter, say K&N, HKS etc. There's been alot of talk in these forums bout which type is best but I say its up to you what you get. Then get a cold air box built and fitted. You could pay some guy at a performance shop to do it, or if you are pretty good at building things, buy some aluminuim from a engineering shop and build it yourself. I built my unit, its not exactly pretty but it works really well. After that fitted some ducting pipe to the new airbox. easy as. If I get a chance I will take a pic of my setup and post it up here, it works really well on cold nights, you can actually noticed a little power increase.
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Postby KinLoud » Wed May 25, 2005 3:00 pm

There is a fair chance that the exhaust manifold from a ST162 3sge will bolt onto the 5sfe head. The standard 5sfe exhaust manifold is pretty poor from a design point of view.
I haven't done this to our camry yet (I have all the parts ready) but the bolt spacing appears to be identical and the spare exhaust gasket from a 4sfe fits the st162 manifold fine. You will have to get the second part of the exhaust that bolts up to the manifold as well as it has 2 pipes before it goes down to one - You will probably need to mod this so it goes around the 5sfe camry engine mount.
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Postby 2LTR Rona » Wed May 25, 2005 4:04 pm

Cheers Bad20v, if ya could post a pic or send it to me that would be cool
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Postby bad20v » Thu May 26, 2005 5:32 pm

Here's couple of pics showing my filter and cold airbox setup:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/ba ... NTAKE2.bmp
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/ba ... NTAKE1.bmp

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Postby Malcolm » Thu May 26, 2005 8:07 pm

to continue on what Kinloud said, I believe st182/3 GT-R (3sge engine) extractors are a better design than st162 (maybe that's what you meant Kinloud?), and they will also bolt on. Should give a reasonable increase for very few $$ (pick-a-part :) )
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Postby Al » Thu May 26, 2005 8:09 pm

2LTR Rona wrote:plus & leads, what are the better products to look at. And what about suppliers are there sme I should just forget about looking at ?


Genuine OEM Toyota leads. Stock Denso plugs or ngk coppers.
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Postby 2LTR Rona » Thu May 26, 2005 9:26 pm

All_Fours wrote:to continue on what Kinloud said, I believe st182/3 GT-R (3sge engine) extractors are a better design than st162 (maybe that's what you meant Kinloud?), and they will also bolt on. Should give a reasonable increase for very few $$ (pick-a-part :) )


hmmm very interesting :wink: cheers for that will have to look at that option somemore.

i would assume that if i went that route modifactions to the rest of the exhaust would have to take place as well
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Postby 2LTR Rona » Thu May 26, 2005 9:27 pm

bad20v wrote:Here's couple of pics showing my filter and cold airbox setup:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/ba ... NTAKE2.bmp
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y49/ba ... NTAKE1.bmp

Hope this helps.


Thanks for that, have a sheet metal engineer whos a mate so i might be able to get it done through him :lol:
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Postby ally » Thu May 26, 2005 9:56 pm

Hey, I also have a corona, 1993 and 3S-FE.

I got a simota pod filter with a 2.5" chrome intake, sounds pretty nice, I bought the two combined from lightening motorsport in hamilton.

I've owned two corona's in my time, I had a 94 libero gt and surprisingly the corona goes much harder than it ever did? Dunno bout those TD04 turbos :?

I was wanting to get spark plugs and leads aswell. Could anyone tell me what size spark plugs I would need to get for my engine? I want to get some NGK ones.

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Postby Malcolm » Thu May 26, 2005 10:35 pm

2LTR Rona wrote:
All_Fours wrote:to continue on what Kinloud said, I believe st182/3 GT-R (3sge engine) extractors are a better design than st162 (maybe that's what you meant Kinloud?), and they will also bolt on. Should give a reasonable increase for very few $$ (pick-a-part :) )


hmmm very interesting :wink: cheers for that will have to look at that option somemore.

i would assume that if i went that route modifactions to the rest of the exhaust would have to take place as well

Wouldn't have to do the rest, could get it mated up to your stock one, but it would probably be worth going to a 2" or 2.25" exhaust with some high flowing mufflers, a "super turbo" type muffler on the back will make it sound a lot nice than just straight through ones too
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Postby gmacrae » Fri May 27, 2005 12:00 am

what Al said - The worst money you could spend would be on platinum or especially iridium plugs. Get stock copper plugs, either denso or ngk, these will give you the best power, though they wont last as long, but who cares when you pay 3 or 4 bucks a plug
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Postby bad20v » Fri May 27, 2005 11:42 am

gmacrae wrote:what Al said - The worst money you could spend would be on platinum or especially iridium plugs. Get stock copper plugs, either denso or ngk, these will give you the best power, though they wont last as long, but who cares when you pay 3 or 4 bucks a plug


I would have to disagree, maybe coz im running a different engine with much higher compression. But I tried running copper plugs in my blacktop 20v, and they just turned to crap within the first 5000km. I changed to a set of NGK iridiums and have had no probs so far. They have done about 15000km so far and show no signs of wear and tear. Sure they cost more but from my experience with them, they seem to last longer and work better.
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Postby 10k 20v » Fri May 27, 2005 6:35 pm

interesting bad20v, in my experiance i found the copper plugs suited my needs and worked better, i was forced to take the copper route as my engine require plugs in the 7 heat range which are unavailable in platnium or iridium
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Postby ally » Fri May 27, 2005 7:14 pm

Could anyone tell me what size NGK spark plugs I would need to fit in my 2litre 1993 corona? I got a $100 voucher for repco to use :D
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Postby Malcolm » Fri May 27, 2005 9:49 pm

just go to repco and tell them what car you have (and what engine) and they will give you plugs.
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Postby Adamal » Fri May 27, 2005 10:33 pm

Get a G head!
You'd want to change the intake and I'm not sure if the extractors would be of the same port.
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Postby Malcolm » Fri May 27, 2005 11:01 pm

problem with fitting a different head is that you'd also have to change ECU, which means you'd have to change loom + sensors too, so it's basically the same as an engine conversion
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