Got Hole?

[atmosports]

On a side note, I can't see how a tuner can be at fault unless he has put the engine & all the other stuff together & put it in the car, run it in etc. As there are way to many variables that can cause an engine to blow that are outside of the engine builders control. Things like oil starvation, oil degradation, incorrect clearances, generally wear & tear, incorrectly installed components, dodgely repaired components( I know of an evo block which split, when the owner was questioned it was out of a write-off & had all the lugs welded back onto it) the list of variables go on & there is generally no way of a tuner knowing what condition your engine is in when they are asked to tune it & as such they are putting there ass on the line to tune what could be a hand grenade that should've expired a long time ago.

Just my rant but I get stock of people saying someone blew up my motor, & now I'm outa pocket & can't afford to fix it. Build it once, build it right & get someone who knows what they are doing to tune it, most good tuners don't need to advertise $&#$% all cause they are turning away work as it it, without needing to advertise what they do, word of mouth is the best & cheapest advertising with tuners

[SUBARUCONVERT]

really?
hrmm... Id never get extensive work done somewhere which didnt warantee their work...

Yea but if they waranty their work they're going to be giving a waranty on workmanship and parts supplied and installed.

They didn't supply the block/crank and they didn't install it therefore they won't cover any damage made to it.

Thats not really correct, If u came in for some work, then they went for a test and thrashed it and blew the gear box it would be there problem, they would of killed his engine thru incopitance rather than the engine already having a fault, if u took them to court they would have prove there was a problem with the engine before hand, how are they going to do that? and if there was a problem why did they still continue to drive and tune the car?

[caldinagtt]

well for starters raw tried running evo leads in it coz they couldnt get the coil packs to work and i dont no how many people asked me whether i had aftermarket cams in coz it ran lumpy as shit and it was only boostin 14.5psi at the time of blowing up ijectors were supposedly maxing out.
I also had a clutch done at raw and after i got it back there was a kncoking sound under the car i took it back and they said no theres nuthing wrong with it and they couldnt get it to make a knock so the next day reach under the car grab hold of the exhuast and give it a wiggle and wot would u no the exhust was hitting something. it came down to a broken exhuast mount which raw had cabled tied back together or something. someone will be payin for something im gettin a letter all signed and shit from a haltech agent and hes going ot have a look at the maps to see if it was due to the computer.

[CozmoNz]

didnt know turbo shop cloned themselves and moved to auckers....

pretty nasty by the sounds of them.... i dont think ull be going there anymore!

[10k 20v]

Well, i have road tested cars on wof's only to see the oil light flicker on and off on the brake test.
I have also had coolant hoses pop off from owners neglect.
Im not saying you neglected your engine but the previous owner in japan possible could have. You then decide you want lots of power from an old engine, without really knowing the history of it and all it's componets not to mention that these enignes are already fragile. I've heard of many caldina engines giving up now and as you mentioned there are none in the country which would also tend to suggest that these engines are in short supply because they are so strong and reliable
It's only a short conversation with fivebob, farmer dave etc etc to realise why they are fragile on nz fuel.

It's a bugger.

I'm just saying before you go and accuse the workshops of neglegence of any type you should consider that it just could have been your engine's turn.

[evil_si]

from experience a rod out the side is usually from an over rev!

according to raw,
the job was sent to the nz haltec agent who did the install and tuning.

[10k 20v]

from experience a rod out the side is usually from an over rev!

according to raw,
the job was sent to the nz haltec agent who did the install and tuning.

I do agree with that to a point, but in saying that it would surely have to be a down shift or the rev limit was set way too high. It's a pity he didn't have a data logger on it at the time.

[evil_si]

from memory haltec have datalogging capability, so if down loaded may be able to shed some light.

[Silent Knight]

really?
hrmm... Id never get extensive work done somewhere which didnt warantee their work...

Yea but if they waranty their work they're going to be giving a waranty on workmanship and parts supplied and installed.

They didn't supply the block/crank and they didn't install it therefore they won't cover any damage made to it.

Thats not really correct, If u came in for some work, then they went for a test and thrashed it and blew the gear box it would be there problem, they would of killed his engine thru incopitance rather than the engine already having a fault, if u took them to court they would have prove there was a problem with the engine before hand, how are they going to do that? and if there was a problem why did they still continue to drive and tune the car?

Yes but Raw wasn't driving the car at the time which makes it irelevant. Unless they were which will make it a different story all together but from I gather from reading the first couple of posts Raw was not driving the Caldina at the time...

[fivebob]

from experience a rod out the side is usually from an over rev!

Not on a 3S-GTE, unless you're revving over 9000rpm.

More likely cause is a collapsed piston, either caused directly by detonation, on indirectly by a bent rod caused by detonation. Either way I'd be looking very closely at the ignition map, and making sure the timing in the map actually matched the engine, i.e. the crank index position was set correctly.

That said however, past postings on this board suggest that the engine in question has seen 20psi on the stock ECU, and that is just asking for trouble, and of course makes it very hard to apportion blame.

My take on the whole thing is that bitching that it's someone elses fault is a waste of time, just fix the thing and learn from the mistakes made.

[Dell'Orto]

I'd be asking some questions of your mechanic anyway, surely just driving around the block wouldnt be enough to put a leg out of bad, no matter how poor the tune...unless he thought that the KNOCKKNOCKNOCK noise would go away if he gave it some gas.
But yes, live and learn...research your mods before you do them, and pick reputable companies to perform them for you
FWIW, I managed to hit 23psi with stock fuelling once without my motor popping

[Raw_Motorworx]

seeing as we are being blamed for this, we might as well put in our 2 cents.

the car was tuned to a conservitave 11.8 AFR with a max timing of 15 deg. due to condition of the engine.

i believe brian has the dyno sheets telling him this, as he wanted to lean the car out to 13 afr as he was told this was safe by someone else. we of course refused as the engine wasnt in the state for it.

as for the general condition of the car, the spark plug electrodes were near non exsistant, BOV was leaking, manifold was leaking, as was the wastegate. This was the condition we recieved the car in.

the car has been on the road for the last 3 or so months, down the drag strip and who knows where else.

Brian was made aware of all the problems that were apperent, and told not to take the boost any higher than 14psi, as at 7000rpm, injectors were reacing 95%duty cycle.

this car was made safe when it left our shop, and we have dyno sheets to prove it, seeing as he wanted it leaned out, for more power.

has anyone looked at the $100 fuel reg??? or the factory fuel pump thats done over 100,000kms???

and to throw a leg at idle, as we were told, yeah right.

thanks for the negative feed back, we were working with your father to try and resolve the issue.

Real racers blow engines!! thats Motorsport

[Mr Revhead]

i wouldnt worry too much.... have a look at some of the other claims 99gtt has made on here.....

[CozmoNz]

just out of interest, was the car tuned after or before sep 3rd?

viewtopic.php?p=353678

although he does say:

"can net a 26 kw gain over standard at the wheels something doesnt seem right and the injectors are maxing out at 7000 its goin back in to get tidyed up and tuned a bit more. Anyways heres the crappy dyno sheets. "

and back the bus up:

Full 3 inch exhuast straight through
38mm tial wastegate
turbosmart super sonic bov
walbro fuel pump
rising rate fpr
pod filter
air con ditched
frount mount intercooler
oil catch can
up specd standard turbo
and a Haltech e6x computer road tuned on 15psi.

So whos telling fibs

[Silent Knight]

Raw_Motorworx as Mr_Revhead I wouldn't worry too much...

This dude has posted allot of stuff on here that's not 'entirely' correct and from what I have gathered so far he does not really know too much...

[Raw_Motorworx]

because of all the problems, the car was left rich, as it was to be taken back to whoever did the rest of the work to be sorted.

the car was set up on the street, befor the dyno run. and was to be completed after the problems had been sorted.

our drag evo runs 11.8afr (for saftey) and runs 10's

the car was richened up, up top, again to prevent damage, once the problems were rectified up top would have been leaned out.

we took every precaution to make the car safe for brian.

as far as we were aware, the fuel pump was standard, and the reg was a cheep copy of something else.

[Inane]

Its good to hear both sides of the story.
I take back my comment regarding the tuner paying for it to be fixed.

raw, I think you've done more than enough to protect your reputation, simply by posting on the board.

Ive never heard anything from you, so Ill give you the benefit of the doubt...

[Inane]

thanks for the negative feed back, we were working with your father to try and resolve the issue.

looks like caldinaGTT shot himself in the foot...

[IH8TEC]

someones daddy is gonna be pissedb

[RomanV]

Oh dear, it would appear that by posting slanderous comments, Caldina GTT has tarnished his oustanding reputation.