Gen 5 3sgte..... ?!?

[RomanV]

While browsing fasterthanjesus.net, I noticed that mention is made of a gen 5 3sgte engine, available in the st265 caldina.

Which is the first time Ive heard of such a thing!

Does anyone have any more info/specs/rumours/gossip on this? I am interested to know.

[Chickenman]

These are the GT4 caldinas?

Some pics on this page but no real data...
http://www.fensport.co.uk/gallerymain.htm




Specs
Caldina GT-Four

Model Code : ST246

Full time AWD

1480kg Vehicle Weight

1755kg Gross Vehicle Weight

4 Speed Automatic Transmission

2.0L 3S-GTE
260ps @ 6200 RPM
33kg Torque @ 4400 Rpm

9.0:1 Compression

86mmx86mm bore vs stroke

I can't find anything on a st265 though.

[Mr Revhead]

theres a few changes... i did a bit of a look a while back..
cant recall all of them but a fast look tells me the pistons and crank are different in the st246, rods are the same

[Malcolm]

yes, it's st246, not st265 (silly dave)

all the information I have is on www.fasterthanjesus.net/technical/3sgtegen.html but I posted up some pictures here
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=147786

[Inane]

aside from the ST246 being a LEV
and according to
http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/toyota/caldina/

the st246 has centre injection (the st215 may do as well fifno!)

but I think its pretty much the same engine.

[Malcolm]

hey warwick, do you have pictures of parts of the engine from the EPC?
I would love to see the injector set up, especially since it's supposedly central injection (single point?)

also does it use the same one piece manifold/exhaust housing as the st215?

[Lanius]

Theres a GT Four Caldina in the work carpark. Looks ok ... nothing special. Prefer ST215s.

[Malcolm]

the st246 has centre injection (the st215 may do as well fifno!)

but I think its pretty much the same engine.

st215 doesn't have central injection
and as warwick said, different crank and pistons, and according to some websites it has VVT-i, so it's no more the same engine than say a red top 4age vs silvertop

[Mr Revhead]

single point? wtf are you smoking

they apear to have a longer injector, so maybe the moved the nozzle closer to the valve?
the heads are exactly the same part number.....

epc pics are not the best....

[Malcolm]

weird, I wonder why they call it central injection then? I've seen it on a few websites.

the reason I wondered if it was single point injected is that 4S-Fi's were badged as "Central Injection" (or 16v Ci), and they had a single injector in the throttle body - I thought central injection must have meant it was injected in the middle of the airstream

maybe this motor has the injectors positioned so it injects right in the middle of the port or something??

also can you confirm whether it was vvt-i or not?

thanks

[Malcolm]

just so you know I'm not making it up:
http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/2027/

Fuel system EFI (electronic fuel injection) (Ci (central injection)

??

[Mr Revhead]

4s..... EW!


id be going with the central of the intake theory......

def NOT vvt, both 215 and 246 use the same, heads, cams, and cam pulleys. so unless those sneakiy japs have found another way to do it

[Malcolm]

turbo - same part number as st215?

[RomanV]

so unless those sneakiy japs have found another way to do it

Varying the crank angle instead of cam angle?

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

you know its wrong when toyota advertise their cars with pix like this:

[Mr Revhead]

turbo is a different part number, but is the same, the manifold section is a bit different, has an extra lug where to help with the warping/cracking problem the 215 has. the 215 turbo supercedes to the 246 turbo and we'v replaced about 4 in nelson alone. and if sold about 15 nation wide

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

turbo is a different part number, but is the same, the manifold section is a bit different, has an extra lug where to help with the warping/cracking problem the 215 has. the 215 turbo supercedes to the 246 turbo and we'v replaced about 4 in nelson alone. and if sold about 15 nation wide

what are you trying to say here?

[Mr Revhead]

that sooner or later you wil get an exhaust leak

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

haha probably why mine backfires all the time.....

[MasCam]

If anybody wants any pics or for me to look at something and try to work it out I have just taken delivery of a ST246.

Its only been in my garage for 3 days so I havn't had a real good look at it so far but I will be poking and proding soon.

Unfortunatly it is a signature class so I can't f%&k around with it to much until the warrenty runs out... 3 days down 727 to go.

chris