3s-gte rolla wagon

[20v_rollaboy]

hey there, dus anyone out there know if this conversion has been done?

im just realising that the 4e-fte thats in it is a bit weak, and dont really wanna turbo a 4a as it will mean rebuild probably, and than the next idea was a 3s-gte.

idea was to get a Celica GTR gearbox and keep it fwd, or find a rwd or 4wd wagon and see if i can make that work.

dus anyone know if this engine would even fit into the engine bay??

[CozmoNz]

all i can say is good luck

best person to talk to is probbaly Drifin_aw (all_fours on here)

whats wrong with a 4efte, spend some cash on that and you can get them very quick indeed...

[EVL GSXR]

Geez not really on eto agree with Coz but yeah spend some money on the 4EFTE you can get some good power from them.. What have you done to the 4E that you have in the wagon??

[Malcolm]

well, IMO the 4efte is too small for a corolla wagon, I mean it can be good in a gt starlet that is much smaller and lighter, but I reckon you'd want more torque. Also, an ideology I've picked up from much wiser people is this - if you're going to do an engine swap, you'd might aswell swap in something that's going to be a big improvement.

So, what you're talking about doing is pretty similar to the 3sgte aw11 conversion. I'd suggest getting a Celica GT-Four engine (rather than the mr2 one), as all the bits on it are already laid out for a front engine transverse set up. As for the gearbox, although an NA Celica box (S5*) will probably last alright while the engine is relatively stock, you're probably better off going straight for a beefier E series box, which will take any extra power in it's stride. Your options for the E series box are:

- E153 from an MR2 turbo, with the shift linkage that goes into the box replaced with one from a FWD E series box (including gt-four boxes)
- E5* gearbox from a manual V6 Camry or similar. Will bolt up to the 3sgte with no problems, but they're hard to find (I'm not actually even certain whether we got any manual v6's here)
- E5* 4AGZE gearbox, with the bellhousing swapped for one from one of the two gearboxes above, or a e150f (or similar) gt-four gearbox

for driveshafts you could probably go the same route as people do with the 3sgte into the aw11, that is mr2 turbo driveshafts with mr2 supercharged manual or st185 gt-four outer cv's on them, but the track width may be different on the corolla so you might have to find something else

there will be a bit of fabrication required! All the engine/gearbox mounts will have to be made, and you might have difficulties with the intake manifold on the 3sgte wanting to occupy the same space as the firewall, in which case you'll have to mount the engine further forward, which may make the driveshafts run at an unacceptable angle

and since you mentioned 4wd/rwd corollas-
I was looking over a 4age ae106(?) 4wd wagon to see whether you could swap the entire gt-four drivetrain into it. It had an E56F2 (I think), which would share 2 of it's 3 mounts with the gt-four box, but the other two would still need fabrication and using the stock mounts you might find the problem mentioned above with the intake manifold and firewall. The rear diff looked quite a bit different, and you'd probably want to use the gt-four rear diff to make sure it will handle the extra torque and the gear ratios were correct, which would mean modifying the rear subframe

and as for rwd...well there's plenty of info on 3sgte rwd conversions around

[FrEsH]

all i can say is good luck

best person to talk to is probbaly Drifin_aw (all_fours on here)

whats wrong with a 4efte, spend some cash on that and you can get them very quick indeed...

mmm like the other guy said..4E's fine in a sub 900 kg car but i'd say tis a wee bit small in a corolla wagon

[rolla_fxgt]

Id go the 4wd or the rwd route in the wagon aye, if your doing the conversion why not go the whole way & have something a little different?
Im still thinking of the 4wd route on the fxgt with either the gtfour running gear or a 4wd carib/corolla wagons running gear.
But this will be with a 20v turbo, though in the past i have thought of the 3sgte.
Would the caldina gtt running gear work in a corolla wagon? or is it kinda weak if u were going to mod the 3sgte? Just a thought since its allready 4wd & i guess it must be based on the gt4 running gear.

It will be a nice car. Hopefully we get to seem sum progect pics when its all done. Good luck with it all

[barryogen]

- E5* gearbox from a manual V6 Camry or similar. Will bolt up to the 3sgte with no problems, but they're hard to find (I'm not actually even certain whether we got any manual v6's here)

we got there here nz new.

[CozmoNz]

Id go the 4wd or the rwd route in the wagon aye, if your doing the conversion why not go the whole way & have something a little different?
Im still thinking of the 4wd route on the fxgt with either the gtfour running gear or a 4wd carib/corolla wagons running gear.
But this will be with a 20v turbo, though in the past i have thought of the 3sgte.
Would the caldina gtt running gear work in a corolla wagon? or is it kinda weak if u were going to mod the 3sgte? Just a thought since its allready 4wd & i guess it must be based on the gt4 running gear.

It will be a nice car. Hopefully we get to seem sum progect pics when its all done. Good luck with it all

making a fwd car rwd / 4wd is a HUGE process....

its not easy.. you see it done on race cars and such but no, wont just "happen" by sliping a fifty to your local mechanic...

talking tens of thousands of dollars

even a drop in engine can be expensive at the end of the day (4age into an ae85)... everything else needs upgraded too anyway! (brakes for starters)

i mean, with a 4efte he might get away with drummies on the rear (if it has them) drop a 3sgte in.. ull need new brakes... new hubs, new carriers, driveshaft, diff, god... its unstopable..

then you think, wel maybe gt-four stuff will fit in... no... no it wont (as all_fours said, engine might need to be foward slighltly because of inlet manifold, everythings harder than first thought out...

funny, me saying that, HA!

[wde_bdy]

and you might have difficulties with the intake manifold on the 3sgte wanting to occupy the same space as the firewall, in which case you'll have to mount the engine further forward, which may make the driveshafts run at an unacceptable angle

If you have to do something about firewall clearance, getting out the gas torch/angle grinder is probably a better option than moving the engine forward. If done properly it is very easy to get past cert, guy I know did this to fit a 3S-GE into his EP71 Starlet.

Callum

[20v_rollaboy]

hmmmmm

thank you everyone for all your input

sounds like a lot of work, much harder than my previous conversion which i done myself.
From the sound of things it would be better for me to get a accident damaged GT-4 and swap/modify everything that i need to make it fit and run. Maybe i should save up to rebiuld the 20v i have sitting in my garage and then turbo that, and get everything else i need, like ecu, brakes, turbo, allready have a manifold

or would you guys reccomend that i rather put the 20v head on a 4a-gze block.

and yea the 4e-fte is a bit small for the heavy wagon, only ran a 16s 1/4mile and its dead-even with my 20v liftback

[Malcolm]

everyone, please pretend you didn't read any of the following message - seriously, erase it from your mind and you will be all the better for it.

Id go the 4wd or the rwd route in the wagon aye, if your doing the conversion why not go the whole way & have something a little different?
Im still thinking of the 4wd route on the fxgt with either the gtfour running gear or a 4wd carib/corolla wagons running gear.
But this will be with a 20v turbo, though in the past i have thought of the 3sgte.
Would the caldina gtt running gear work in a corolla wagon? or is it kinda weak if u were going to mod the 3sgte? Just a thought since its allready 4wd & i guess it must be based on the gt4 running gear.

It will be a nice car. Hopefully we get to seem sum progect pics when its all done. Good luck with it all

[Malcolm]

and you might have difficulties with the intake manifold on the 3sgte wanting to occupy the same space as the firewall, in which case you'll have to mount the engine further forward, which may make the driveshafts run at an unacceptable angle

If you have to do something about firewall clearance, getting out the gas torch/angle grinder is probably a better option than moving the engine forward. If done properly it is very easy to get past cert, guy I know did this to fit a 3S-GE into his EP71 Starlet.

Callum

yes, I agree, but if it's a matter of a couple of centimetres its probably easier to shift it forward. I cut the rear firewall in the aw11 for intake manifold clearance, but you have easy access to that from both sides, so its easy to weld in a little box section for it. On a front engine'd car you'd have to remove the whole dashboard which is a big PITA.

[Malcolm]

hmmmmm

thank you everyone for all your input

sounds like a lot of work, much harder than my previous conversion which i done myself.
From the sound of things it would be better for me to get a accident damaged GT-4 and swap/modify everything that i need to make it fit and run. Maybe i should save up to rebiuld the 20v i have sitting in my garage and then turbo that, and get everything else i need, like ecu, brakes, turbo, allready have a manifold

The 3sgte conversion sounds hard, but I don't think it would be too bad. If your welding isn't up to scratch, you can position the engine, make mounts and tack them into place, then get someone else to weld them in (this is what I did, got evil_si to weld them - he is local to you).

Like I said, a FWD 3sgte would be quite similar to the 3sgte -> aw11 swap, of which there are many write ups on the net. It would certainly be more rewarding than putting a 20v turbo in, and IMO about the same, or even less work - and much more potential in the end.

[evil_si]

brad cr1mnl on here has a 3sgte corona wagon, fwd,
it has no traction it spins up without hesitation in 3rd gear,
i wouldnt bother going 3sgte fwd for that reason.
and no its not fun when trying to drive

[fx gt]

brad cr1mnl on here has a 3sgte corona wagon, fwd,
it has no traction it spins up without hesitation in 3rd gear,
i wouldnt bother going 3sgte fwd for that reason.
and no its not fun when trying to drive

man that sounds wicked

haha it was funny the other day.i did that in the fx but in 1st gear.it was at a real busy round about and i was trying to get into a spot real quick.but it didnt happen quick

[evil_si]

man that sounds wicked

haha it was funny the other day.i did that in the fx but in 1st gear.it was at a real busy round about and i was trying to get into a spot real quick.but it didnt happen quick

hahahaha wow 1st gear.

[deaf_rattle]

thats the car that used to have the pplate hyndri isnt it?
if so i raced it along the north western motorway one night.
there were 4 of us. that car, my supra, an rx3 an dan rx7

it was all fairly even

i thought it had a 4agte, but i guess if it did, it wouldve left me behind


I would like another go sometime when the supras back on the road.

[fx gt]

man that sounds wicked

haha it was funny the other day.i did that in the fx but in 1st gear.it was at a real busy round about and i was trying to get into a spot real quick.but it didnt happen quick

hahahaha wow 1st gear.

hey hey! dont be like that
i can go 2nd gear 2

[20v_rollaboy]

yea this used to be HYNDRI. at the moment its just a standard starlet engine, with standard ct9, and has just had a front mount put on with some nice bling bliing piping.

still has the standard corolla exhaust so i guess thats one reason why it feels so restrictive. and i need a new gearbox

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

brad cr1mnl on here has a 3sgte corona wagon, fwd,
it has no traction it spins up without hesitation in 3rd gear,
i wouldnt bother going 3sgte fwd for that reason.
and no its not fun when trying to drive

man that sounds wicked

haha it was funny the other day.i did that in the fx but in 1st gear.it was at a real busy round about and i was trying to get into a spot real quick.but it didnt happen quick

Whoa Sam, your cars badass :P