4AFE -> 4AGE conversion

[20v_rollaboy]

hang on a minute

an reach 120 in second with the fe box, only 105 with the ge box

wtf. how many revs u doing
.

Only 7800RPM

[20v_rollaboy]

THE LOOM
i waited 7 months for the only guy in wgtn who was keen enough to do it.
ten seconds down the road tho i felt hatred no more! cost me 1100 and 4500 all up but worth every cent, good being able to rev them off the FE's tacho too.

Sooo much!

Cost me $800 for donor car, done the engine swap myself, and me and a very good friend done the wiring with the help of a manual

[quinny]

THE LOOM
i waited 7 months for the only guy in wgtn who was keen enough to do it.
ten seconds down the road tho i felt hatred no more! cost me 1100 and 4500 all up but worth every cent, good being able to rev them off the FE's tacho too.

Sooo much!

Cost me $800 for donor car, done the engine swap myself, and me and a very good friend done the wiring with the help of a manual

i assume thats a silvertop wreck? otherwise man thats a cheap blacky!
i had all the info and a mate who already had wired his FJ20 datsun 1600 and nup! this was the day i became a believer in making it someones elses problem. i had 8 auto sparkys in wgtn area fully drop their nuts and confess that much past replacing a blown fuse was out of the question.
i paid $1750 for my smacked up donor 98 BZG Carib 2-3 years ago.
with 90k's and the 6sp bolted on it was good deal, even now i think
they are still somewhere near that figure

[scribble]

Awesome!

So, just so I know I've got things straight.

Silvertop with FE gearbox?
Even with silvertop loom/ecu, wiring still a pain? (or was that only because you used a blacktop?)
Change front and rear brakes, no cert? (or only need to change rears for silvertop?)

Anything else I've missed?

cheers guys, really appreciate it!

[pc]

Technically you need a cert for practically anything you change... including brakes... etc.
The WOF station may not notice and then of course it's ok, but if you want to know for sure, ring a certifier and run the list of mods past him to see what needs a cert, most things do.

[Leon]

Conversions unless you do everything yourself cost an arm and a leg. I'm in the process of having my 4AGE big port replaced with a 4AGE silvertop, and even with mates rates, trade, favours, volunteer labour ... well, I'm looking down the barrel of at the absolute minimum a bill in the region of $2000 (assuming all my mental maths is up to scratch). Maybe more like $2500 or more. Versus the price of buying a AE101 .... oops. Live and learn.

[scribble]

I'd be doing it all myself, so would just be parts costs

[ee904age]

the wof outfit tried to nail me for my blacktop but lost cos i used the donor caribs front brakes as well (bout 5mm thicker) so no cert was required and they even had to note it down on the wof sheet that is was all legit

Something smells fishy...

Im sure somebody will correct me if wrong, but wouldnt changing the front brakes require a cert itself let alone the engine swap??

So in reality you need a cert for both the engine swap AND the brake swap??

[Leon]

Yes you would then need a cert for the brakes as well.

I'm going to see if I need to cert the 16v 4AGE to 20v 4AGE conversion. Depends if it breaks the power threshold increase or not. Hopefully I won't need to, but it isn't the end of the world if I have to.

I have it in writing from my insurance broker that it is not going to change my insurance rate, so that is one worry out of the way.

[quinny]

the wof outfit tried to nail me for my blacktop but lost cos i used the donor caribs front brakes as well (bout 5mm thicker) so no cert was required and they even had to note it down on the wof sheet that is was all legit

Something smells fishy...

Im sure somebody will correct me if wrong, but wouldnt changing the front brakes require a cert itself let alone the engine swap??

So in reality you need a cert for both the engine swap AND the brake swap??

NO FISH BRO, the garage hate me and consulted wgtns main certifier who confirmed his services were not required in this case. The bigger front discs with abs hubs (no ABS on my car) and disc rear end are diect bolt in upgrades. no modifications no problem. i fear the glory of rorting the system will come to an end next wof as i now have tein coilovers and braided lines installed. they may have to take a couple of days off while the shit std struts and lines make a quick appearance

[Scotty]

the wof outfit tried to nail me for my blacktop but lost cos i used the donor caribs front brakes as well (bout 5mm thicker) so no cert was required and they even had to note it down on the wof sheet that is was all legit

Something smells fishy...

Im sure somebody will correct me if wrong, but wouldnt changing the front brakes require a cert itself let alone the engine swap??

So in reality you need a cert for both the engine swap AND the brake swap??

NO FISH BRO, the garage hate me and consulted wgtns main certifier who confirmed his services were not required in this case. The bigger front discs with abs hubs (no ABS on my car) and disc rear end are diect bolt in upgrades. no modifications no problem. i fear the glory of rorting the system will come to an end next wof as i now have tein coilovers and braided lines installed. they may have to take a couple of days off while the sh*t std struts and lines make a quick appearance

You do need a cert for the engine at least, didn't bother looking for anything on breaks but wouldn't surprise me if there was something there about it. This was taken from the Low Volume Vehicle Certification Threshold Schedule.

[scribble]

Hmm, but didn't AE101's come with the silvertop, just not the wagon version?

[Mr Revhead]

ALL variants of the ae101 were avail with the 20v engine.

read the previous post again, hint: cylinder head

[KinLoud]

Bought a damaged 1992 AE101 Trueno 4age 20v silvertop C52 gearbox
Bought an AE101 Marino 4afe C50 that had a seized engine.
We (me and Ewan, 10k20v) bolted the whole front subframe and suspension from the Trueno into the Marino (brakes, suspension, gearbox and motor) also swapped the brake booster and bias valve.
Also swapped the rear brake,s handbrake cables, hubs and swaybar across. Should have swapped the steering rack so the 20v steering vacuum lines had somewhere to plug into (it runs fine with these lines just blocked off!).
The 20v engine loom plugged straight into the Marino body loom. There was even an unused plug on the Marino loom just waiting to plug into the 20v aircon idle up valve!!!
Only wiring needed was a jumper wire from the 20v loom to the fuel pump relay wiring so the pump worked correctly.
Easy! But sure helps to have the complete donor vehicle!
Total cost $1200!!!!! for everything including the cars!
Big brakes and cert next.

Ken
Ham
021 408 863

[quinny]

Hmm, but didn't AE101's come with the silvertop, just not the wagon version?

there is even a AE101 touring wagon which came std with a blacktop and 5sp, only ever seen two of them so im guessing fairly rare

[Alex B]

not at all, they came in 6 speed as well.

[scribble]

Okay, I'm being dumb, but does that mean if there was a version with the silvertop, I don't need to get a cert to put the silvertop in a currently 4AFE powered AE101 wagon?

[Mr Revhead]

by the letter of the law you need a cert.
but you may get away with it

[20v_rollaboy]

but who these days lives by the letter of the law?

[2LTR Rona]

but who these days lives by the letter of the law?

when it comes to insurance etc i sure as hell do, no way I want an insurance company getting out of paying out or fixing one of my cars if they should be doing so....but then again I guess there are those that just dont worry about that and then moan when the insurance company wont pay out