conversion options

[ATOYOTA]

hey guys i hav a 1987 corolla fx shape it has a 2e motor i
was wondering if a 4age would sit on the mounts
if it does in saying that would that mean a 3sgte would fit
im jus looking for sum options here
im a mechanic at toyota so its no prob to change an engine

[Boosted_162]

A 4AGE wont go directly in, and a 4AGE and 3SGTE dont share the same mounts. Easiest conversion if you dont wanna change mounts would be a 4EFTE out of a GT starlet.

[deaf_rattle]

i think you would be better off going silvertop 20v over a 4efte.

but in saying that i dont really think its worth doin the conversion just for the sake of doin the conversion.
sell the car and buy an fxgt.

or do a 3sgte conversion as you were thinking.
would be a fair amount of work, but it has been done.

invest in firestone if you go that way.

[Boosted_162]

It really depends on what he wants out of it, i agree selling for a FXGT would be a wiser and far cheaper idea. If he really wants to keep the car, i would say either 4EFTE or 4AGE/4AGZE.

[Malcolm]

I think if you're going to bolt something in, might as well be a 4AGZE, preferably with a turbo. Should be able to just get mounts from an ae82 and it should bolt right in. If you want more grunt, the 3S-GTE would be doable, but I wouldn't waste my time because it'll be all smoke an no action. I made up a saying, and I think it's good probably just because I'm arrogant

Power without traction is like sex without a partner

but if you're keen on the ol' knuckle shuffle, this may be of use to you:
http://www.fasterthanjesus.net/technical/fwd3sgte.html

[ATOYOTA]

tru i like ya sayin
mind u i hav read ya mr2 to 3sgte front wheel drive change over so
i would get some traction
the poor chassis wouldnt know what hit it
think il keep using the corolla as a run about its what it does best
toyotas a the engine an box has done 289 and it original items
still flyes through warents
i think ill buy the ae85 up the road from me that isnt bein used by the owner

what kinda options for are there for those
im geusing most of the 4ags or ze
i really wana put a 3sgte in somthing
there is alot of talk about mounting isues that are interesting with that engine

[Malcolm]

on a powerful FWD, you're always going to struggle with traction, no matter what gearbox you have.

IMO there are better engines for a RWD car than the 3S-GTE. Like the 1UZ-FE. Probably cost about the same to put in there, weigh about the same, but have a lot more potential and reliability.

[ATOYOTA]

tru due to a powerful fwd trying to pull a car rather than a rwd trying to push from behind the car depending tho to a slight degree of weight etc
i hav been watchin peformance tv with the panda ae86 with the v8
but i dunno about chopping the fire wall its not really sumthing i wana do
i hav drivin a few lexus v8 land cruisers and even though they weigh a ton they still go good considering
can imagine what they would go like in a ae86
think ill w8 till i buy it first and c what is out there
but i do like the the power of a 3rd gen gt4 an making 260 od horse power seems worth the installation
i need to read about bell housings and what fits what gearbox to which motor ill keep reading

[Malcolm]

http://www.fasterthanjesus.net/technical/rwd3sgte.html

[summin]

5e-fe should bolt straight in if you swap the mounts, turbo that and you're away laughing.

1500 turbo in a rolla would be bitchn. PM stu if you need some help, he's done that in his starlet, not too hard apparently.

4AGE will be a pain in the ass (nothing will fit straight in, you'll need new mounts etc etc...), and you need to turbo it if you want some real power...too expensive and too much work to get good power out of N/A in my opinion. And dont bother buying an FXGT unless you wana be like every other person that couldnt be bothered doing anything different.

Up to you really...Guess it depends on your budget and what you want out of it. Me i'd rather have something different, even if its been done before, because the still wont be many cars like it on the road.

[Malcolm]

I don't think you'll need to make mounts. The gearbox mounts should be the same (assuming both use a C5* box), so the driveshafts will also be the same, and the only different mount will be the cambelt end engine mount, for which he should be able to use one from a A series engine'd corolla of the same era.

The good thing about a 5e-fe is that it's a shitload lighter than an A series engine

[ATOYOTA]

oh yeah 5efe
i ashamed to ask what is that out of ill hav to keep an eye out at work so i
can hav a look and see how it goes
hey if its 5efe would that mean the 4efte turbo an manifolds would work
maybe could use the turbo gear of that

[Malcolm]

5efe is in Cynoses, Corsas, Corolla IIs, etc, although some of the Cynoses had the 5efhe high compression motor.

My experience of the 5efe in my Corsa - the original motor was fairly good, the Corsa is reasonably light and the car was pretty comparable in performance to an AE82 with basic mods, although the low end and mid range is pretty average, it revved well and picked up power slightly when you rang it out.

The replacement engine (after the old one killed the bearings) which was out of an ee106 corolla wagon doesn't seem to be as good, doesn't pick up in higher revs like the old one, not really sure why, might have different cams or something.

With a turbo it would be a different story though, similar to a 4e-fte but the increased stroke should give it better spool up and better low end torque.