lookin for reliable reliable bhp

[iownashittytoyota]

lookin for big horse power out ov a 3sgte, wot turbo, pistons, injectors
av people ad t best results with n wot power u makin?

[deaf_rattle]

cn u stp usng txt spk.
u rnt limted 2 160 letrs.

[Silent Knight]

^^^^ What he said. No one here is going to help you if you type like a retard.

Also normally Big Horsepower and Reliable don't go in the same sentence.

Last point well....if you need to ask people what exactly you need to make big horsepower and can't figure it out for yourself/plan out what you need to make your power goal then normally the rule of thumb is don't do it as you won't be able to.

[GT4 20]

Depends on your budget. Big (reliable) power can easily = big $. Also depends on how high you want to go too. Some more info such as car, budget, approx power level, what type of use the car will have....
I'm currently going down this route and it ain't cheap And I still have a fair bit to do
Gary

[fivebob]

We should work out a $ per HP price guide, might stop some of these posts... Second thoughts, maybe not cause nobody searches or reads the FAQ section

Something like this, but with the upgrades listed (these are rough guesstimates for WHP in a 2wd setup (MR2);

• 200HP <$1,000, or buy a Gen III to start with
• 250HP <$3,000
• 300HP <$6,000
• 350HP <$10,000
• 400HP <$15,000
• 450HP <$20,000
• 500HP <$30,000
• 550+HP.. see your bank manager for approval

[Malcolm]

just wondering here 5B - are you entirely pulling those numbers from your arse or did you think of the things that would be needed to be done to safely get you to each level? maybe it would be worth spending a little time to put together a brief list of what would be needed for each power increment?

[fivebob]

just wondering here 5B - are you entirely pulling those numbers from your arse or did you think of the things that would be needed to be done to safely get you to each level? maybe it would be worth spending a little time to put together a brief list of what would be needed for each power increment?

Like I said they're just guesstimates, though I did do some rough calculations based on past experience, and my pile of parts

If anything they may be a little low for truly reliable hp especially at the upper levels, and they don't take into account the inevitable failures along the way. You may be able to do it cheaper, but then the reliability factor may suffer.

[GT4 20]

Like I said they're just guesstimates

You can say that again
Gary

[fivebob]

Like I said they're just guesstimates

You can say that again
Gary

Well then, care to have a go yourself.

[strx7]

i'm targeting the 350-400hp mark with my GT-T powered ST185. And i'm planning on spending no where near those $$$ and that will include purchasing the ST185. I belive alot has to do with What you know, who you know, what you have access to and how much you can do yourself.

If the person wasn't a competent mechanic then i'd say those figures most likely would be on the money.

[GT4 20]

Like I said they're just guesstimates

You can say that again
Gary

Well then, care to have a go yourself.

I'm too scared to add it all up
Gary

[fivebob]

i'm targeting the 350-400hp mark with my GT-T powered ST185. And i'm planning on spending no where near those $$$ and that will include purchasing the ST185. I

Good luck to you, but I think you'll find that HP level will cost more than you imagine, even doing it youself. But like I said you may be able to do it cheaper, but reliability could become an issue
This was a breakdown I did a while back for a bit more than your target, some costs have lowered due to the exchange rate, and different parts availability, but it's a reasonable guide http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=13083;

$5-10k for the motor, get real guys that's 5-10k for the first motor which you will blow and then you start again doing it properly.

You want torque you need capacity.

Stroker Kit & Block work $8-12,000

You need a turbo that optimised for high boost at low Rpms. Turbo Kit $5-8000, Actually you could blow the whole $25k or more on a turbo to do the job, I know of one that has produced 600ft lb of torque @3500rpm in a 2 Litre motor but the cost was astronomical

You need cams, valves, springs etc and head work $3-5000

The Stock manifold will have to go, $1-3000

You'll need a good Intercooler but you should be able to go a bit cheaper if you do the fitting yourself $1-2000

Probably need to upgrade the cooling system, $1-2000.

You'll need a decent EMS to hold it all together, IMHO a link won't do you'll need a Motec, Autronic or similar $3-5000

You'll need a very good twin or triple plate clutch to transmit that torque, $1-4000

Then you'll need to upgrade the drivetrain if you're running on Tarmac, $1000 for axles alone, $3-8000 if you change the gearset.

Add in the labour and dyno time another $2-5000 maybe more.

total cost $25-54,000 and that's assuming it all goes right and you don't blow a motor. Time to go see a bank manager and extend the mortgage, or just go back to dreaming about it and mouth racing, far cheaper and easier

[fivebob]

I'm too scared to add it all up

I find it's best not to, it's amazing how quickly it adds up

[strx7]

if anyone ever added up what their hobbies/sports cost them, then they would be a couch potato.

[Al]

lookin for big horse power out ov a 3sgte, wot turbo, pistons, injectors
av people ad t best results with n wot power u makin?

How fast do ya wanna go? If the 3s is in a GT4, sell it. If its in a MR2 good choice ~200rwkw (~275rwhp) is the most power you can get 'cheaply' out of a early mr2 turbo. The later ones can make more power 'cheaply'. There are two mr2 turbos running 12 second passes @ 109-110mph on this board with only a handful of mods.

[iownashittytoyota]

appologies for the txt write, bad habit!
the cars a st185 gt4.
its my work car at the minute but got u ute so it will be coming off the road soon as!
im aiming for 400-500bhp been $&#$% round with cars for a while
n plan on doin all the work myself.
tryin to find good sources for parts, trd website aint got much.
was wanderin what routes people had taken and got good reliable results with.
i was intending to start with the bottom end, crank, rods, pistons, then go for sum descant injectors, get the motec computer n slap on a big turbo see what blows first.
exhuast manifold wont b a problem,
people that iv asked have different opinions about the transmition, ranging from dont $&#$% bother to its bullet proof!
only one way to find out!
factory clutch is getting left in there till it shits its self, any ideas on what i should replace it with when it does?
already got surge tank, 700bhp fuel pump so fueling wont be a problem.
just picking parts up off trade me as they pop up!
aint in too much of a rush, iv learned that thats how you $&#$% things!
any advice would be appreciated!
dont fancy an mr2, owned one in the uk and found engine transplants
a pain in the arse as a home job!

[Al]

All good mate, just remember that the mr2 will always go faster with less power.

[iownashittytoyota]

i agree! loved my mr2!
want to try something different though, fell on to this car by luck, its one of those wide body doofas!
think it was ment to be. if the box shits out straight away il look at
dropping the motor into an mr2!

[Adydas]

factory clutch is getting left in there till it shits its self, any ideas on what i should replace it with when it does?

What kinda attitude is that? i cant at all underestand that, i mean engines out of the car correct? and you plan to fit motor into car so why not take 5 mins and change the clutch??????????

[RomanV]

Ha! And you guys think that your HP per $ sucks?

Try spending money on an NA engine.

Theres a great way that I make myself feel better about it though....

I compare what Ive spent, and what Ive learnt, and what Ive achieved...

To my friends that go to the casino every weekend, that come home with nothing, learn nothing, and acheive nothing.

Then it doesnt seem so bad.