What damage does redlining do?

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Postby Truenotch » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:30 pm

:P Bitching about the focus Matt?
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Postby ollieboy » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:32 pm

ollieboy wrote:Yeah thats what i like to think as well.


That was directed at what Truenotch said btw
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Postby Alex B » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:33 pm

So hows that focus matt? :lol:
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Postby matt dunn » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:34 pm

Truenotch wrote::P Bitching about the focus Matt?


lol, no.

We found that out before we built the motor.
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however we did prove the one obout standard rods not liking more than 7K.
Motec datalogging shows it escaped at 7100 rpm.

On the bright side,
we have never had the same problem twice.
soon we must run out of problems.

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Postby matt dunn » Mon Feb 06, 2006 10:38 pm

pyro_sniper2002 wrote:So hows that focus matt? :lol:


When we get the time we will put it back together again.
we have 99% of the problems solved down to why they happened and how to stop them re-occouring, so we are now going to build a good motor again as the last few were just build ups of parts basically.

There is the possibility that I may run it at the 4&Rotarys in march,
and hope to get it to a hub dnyo for decent reading and tune.

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Postby Chickenman » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:04 am

My corona would rev off the gauge :lol: (8k)

Revving to redline is also about putting the engine in the right place for the next gear, so changing at or just before the red mark on your tachometer is something that you should practice (preferably on a drag strip). None of this Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirst gear - 5TH stuff around town :wink:
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Postby Punter » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:11 am

matt dunn wrote:On the bright side,
we have never had the same problem twice.
soon we must run out of problems.

Matt



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Know that feeling
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Postby Wings_Alexander » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:48 am

Chickenman wrote:My corona would rev off the gauge :lol: (8k)

Revving to redline is also about putting the engine in the right place for the next gear, so changing at or just before the red mark on your tachometer is something that you should practice (preferably on a drag strip). None of this Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirst gear - 5TH stuff around town :wink:


My Factory aa_63 would rev off the clock but you noticed the effects eventually!
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Postby Chickenman » Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:41 am

True that, A valve (or something) actually smacked into ,number 3 sparkplug... thought I had killed it but a new spark plug and... weeeeeeeeee
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Postby Caveman » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:11 am

As stated redline while cold is bad mkay.

Excessive revs will fatigue your engine quicker. rods, bearings, lifters/shims, etc.

but dont worry about it too much 8)
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Postby barryogen » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:25 pm

Chickenman wrote:Revving to redline is also about putting the engine in the right place for the next gear


I know that this is the right idea, but it doesn't work in some cars, mine to be exact... I believe(read online) some have solved it by getting a heavier fly wheel, as the factory one drops revs too quickly. it only matters in the 1st-2nd, and apparently 5th-6th, but I can't say that I've ever hit the 5th-6th one, my balls arent that big(redline in 4th is ~210km/h)
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Postby Ako » Tue Feb 07, 2006 12:59 pm

WRONG

you need to move your arm faster
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Postby Chickenman » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:02 pm

Just what I was gonna say :lol:
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Postby Leon » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:30 pm

Well, when we pull my bigport down to trace the knock, I can tell you what 18 months of clubsport use, much of it on or near the redline does to a 4AGE.
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Postby MikeMan » Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:38 pm

Adamal wrote:If you're meaning bouncing off the redline, then thats usually an ECU controlled fuel cut. Which is bad for EFI cars.

In carb'd cars, the fuel is still being supplied, the engine just can't rotate any faster.


Most ECU's will use an Ignition cut to achieve a soft rev limit, while using fuel AND ignition for a hard limit.
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Postby barryogen » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:53 pm

Ako wrote:WRONG
you need to move your arm faster


well ok then, but even when flat shifting it doesn't quite hit the magic point. maybe(probably) I need more practice.
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Postby l1ttle_d3vil » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:11 pm

Adamal wrote:If you're meaning bouncing off the redline, then thats usually an ECU controlled fuel cut. Which is bad for EFI cars.


how exactly is this bad for efi cars?
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Postby no_8wire » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:34 pm

Leon wrote:Well, when we pull my bigport down to trace the knock, I can tell you what 18 months of clubsport use, much of it on or near the redline does to a 4AGE.

Got pics? :)
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Postby fangsport » Tue Feb 07, 2006 10:42 pm

no_8wire wrote:
Leon wrote:Well, when we pull my bigport down to trace the knock, I can tell you what 18 months of clubsport use, much of it on or near the redline does to a 4AGE.

Got pics? :)


i can post up what 1 season of valve-boucing clubsport antics does to a highly strung 2-T.
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Postby Chickenman » Wed Feb 08, 2006 8:33 am

barryogen wrote:
Ako wrote:WRONG
you need to move your arm faster


well ok then, but even when flat shifting it doesn't quite hit the magic point. maybe(probably) I need more practice.


Flat shifting?

Holding the accelerator down while you change?

No need for that 8O on the road.. or even on a strip unless you got lotsa money for gearboxes. Although, maintaining a small amount of revs (not lifting all the way off the throttle) is alright, but if your cars turbo your blowoff valve may not discharge, should be ok though.
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