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Poll ended at Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:36 pm

The Publishers, freedom of speech etc.
15
31%
The moderate Muslims who condemn it as offensive
8
17%
The people who can see the funny side
10
21%
The radical Muslims that are burning embassies
1
2%
What Cartoons, I've been asleep for the last three days
14
29%
 
Total votes : 48

Postby Jebus » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:41 pm

Yeh I dunno whats going on either.

Either way my care for muslims is at an all time low.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:58 pm

im begining to think the more immediate problem is the amount of ppl who dont take note of whats going around them in the world 8O
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Postby Punter » Wed Feb 08, 2006 4:23 pm

Mad Murphy wrote:Am I the only person who hasn't seen these cartoons? I havn't read a paper or watched the news in weeks.


Google = your friend

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11097877/


I can't really understand the reaction either, in my opinion a religion that cannot handle disbelief has no validity.
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Postby gurutasker » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:23 pm

I agree it is scary that people are getting killed over CARTOONS :S :O
There have been cartoons and TV shows, almost any form of political/religious freedom of speech put out there, and this is the first i've heard of people destroying/killing because of it, and it doesn't seem to be just 1 little group either...

Sure, there is nothing wrong with condemning it if they believed it was out of hand, and probabley would have got an apology out of the Danish if they had said so, but i've seen quotes like "The Cartoonist should be put to death".. burning a countries flag.. hate speak... to me that is oppression of someones personal opinion, and that is wrong (IMHO).

Anyways, my 2c chucked into the mix for free...
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Postby Punter » Wed Feb 08, 2006 11:37 pm

snwtoy wrote:Better link to the cartoons:

http://weblog.theviewfromthecore.com/20 ... 05226.html


:lol: i found that about 25 mins after my first post, to lazy to change it.
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Postby no_8wire » Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:18 am

gurutasker wrote:but i've seen quotes like "The Cartoonist should be put to death".. burning a countries flag.. hate speak... to me that is oppression of someones personal opinion, and that is wrong (IMHO).

Also the burning of the danish embassy... 8O
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Postby EVL GSXR » Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:57 am

Punter wrote:
Mad Murphy wrote:Am I the only person who hasn't seen these cartoons? I havn't read a paper or watched the news in weeks.


Google = your friend

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11097877/


I can't really understand the reaction either, in my opinion a religion that cannot handle disbelief has no validity.


Cheer's man and WTF are they jumping up and down about there not bad at all :? :? ..
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Postby fivebob » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:40 pm

gurutasker wrote:but i've seen quotes like "The Cartoonist should be put to death".. burning a countries flag.. hate speak... to me that is oppression of someones personal opinion, and that is wrong (IMHO)..

Unfortunately it's par for the course, anyone remember Salman Rushdie and his book "Satanic Verses" he was condemned to death by Irans spiritual leader Ayatollah Khomeini, and had to go into hiding for years.

Reactions to his book and to the cartoons are way over the top, and seem to be caused by a religon that takes itself far too seriously. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for this episode to die down.
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Postby FXGTV » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:02 pm

You can see why it has offended Muslims, its part of their religious doctrine, something not easy to ignor for people who live in/as their faith.

Of course we're going to think of it differently because the West's media is so free. We have the right to free speech, and free media is a very important part of a domocracy...but honestly, this was just a way to sell more papers and get bigger audiences. Its stirred everything up, and for no real reason.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Thu Feb 09, 2006 6:06 pm

its still a massive over reaction

now some paper in iran is holding a competition for the best holocaust cartoon.

hmmmm funny pics of your "god" or cartoons about 6 million deaths.

hmmmmm
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Postby SnakeEyes » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:59 pm

Mad Murphy wrote:Am I the only person who hasn't seen these cartoons? I havn't read a paper or watched the news in weeks.


- No, I haven't either. Not that I really care 'n all. I honestly think this shit between the West and Islam isn't going to stop for a long while. And even if the US captures Osama, chances are things will only get worse.

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Postby Punter » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:36 am

FXGTV wrote:You can see why it has offended Muslims, its part of their religious doctrine, something not easy to ignor for people who live in/as their faith.


Yes definatly I can see how the could be offended, but burning down embassys, rioting, killing, thats not really a sane reaction is it?

If it wasn't these cartoons setting them off it would be something else.
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Postby Adamal » Fri Feb 10, 2006 8:48 am

It's stupid. Yes, its true (For a handful of them), but why provoke them??? Jesus thats stupid!
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Postby Silent Knight » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:13 am

Just leave them all be...sooner or later all the westies allways bombing and killing etc will manage to kill themselves off then all will be better!!
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Postby method » Fri Feb 10, 2006 10:44 am

I believe fully in free speech but you have to be carefull how you use it.

You shouldnt make fun of unstable countries like that or your just asking for troubble. I mean what would have happened if a US paper made fun of the kremlin 60 or so years ago and claimed it to be free speech?

People should be more sensitive to other peoples beliefs, especially when they dont understand them.

When does free speech turn to harrasmant or verbal abuse?

If i walked up to a police officer and said he looked like a "pig" and that they are all scum blah blah blah im sure it wouldnt just be free speech. More like a free ride to the cells.

As for the extreemists, they are fully out of line, The moderate Muslims who condemn it as offensive is what i voted as being right.
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Postby sergei » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:06 am

BUT:
The extrimist were actually (and probably still are) moking 9/11, USA and whole western world on flyers, local newspapers, local tv stations, big posters and what is with burning flags, isn't it moking big time (especially for brainwashed USA citizens)? And noone gets really upset over it anyway (common sens, sense of reality).
They (western) were actually making cartoons of russians (USSR and other comunist states) 30 odd years ago, in form of propaganda, news papers, tv etc. (same were going on other side aswell) noone was fighting over it were they?
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Noone in wester world does not cut muslims heads off in name of Jesus! (and puts it on the tape and send it to relatives)
Cant say that for extremist muslims...
Those people are brainwashed and have no common sense, their values are extremely scewed. I don't mind religious people, but religion should be no way used as reason to kill or do harm!
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Postby method » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:23 am

Thing is the western paper isnt dumb enough to publish the pictures the muslims are making. Americans would get angry, they are like that.

afik the pictures were originally published in september last year.

Americans also fight in the name of god and believe they are right and god supports them, they dont cut peoples heads off but manage to kill hunderds of people and injure many more with a single bomb.

The muslims are fighting a different war, they dont have the weapons that the us have.

Christins has been in wars for much longer than the muslims, some very brutal wars at that too.
What about the whole IRA stuff? Christians Vs Protestants, and thats still happening now, children are being targeted! Its outrageous.

And there was no cold war 30 years ago, 60 years ago the relationship between russia and america was unstable, just the same as the relation ship between the muslim and western world is now unstable.

Think about what you just said sergi...
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Postby Mad Murphy » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:30 am

They're all pretty crap and un-funny. I think it's stupid that Muslims believe their beliefs are above satirical criticism though, get over it. Christians don't go killing people every time someone makes fun of Jesus. I say put a bulldozer through the middle-east and take all their oil by force.
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Postby Silent Knight » Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:32 am

Nuke'm.

Wipe all the bastards out in one go.
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