New Supra?

scotts2hot · Post by **scotts2hot** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:32 pm

Found this:

http://www.carspyshots.net/zerothread?id=15541

What do ya all think?

DriftMonkey · Post by **DriftMonkey** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:53 pm

The front looks like a Corolla screwed a Celica and that was the resulting offspring, and the rear reminds me of an S2000 for some reason

Anyway, looks hawt

Si · Post by Si » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:06 pm

looks like a new MR-S or something.

supra should stay hard/targa top.

Styling features a long front deck and short rear

Just like every other supra...................

he said it'll be introduced a year after the new IS and it'll ride on a shortened version of the IS's chasis

i assume the new IS must be a monster, if they have to shorten it.

or maybe its these asshat frontal impact laws.

OMG so shiny! · Post by **Dell'Orto** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 7:59 pm

The front looks vaguely Mustangish

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:04 pm

looks good to me.......

new IS i a little bigger than the old one, but is also leaps ahead.....
really makes the 1s200/300 look dated.
goes well too

Jazza · Post by **Jazza** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:05 pm

Saw one on TV, the supra concept car. Apparantly its engine is being designed to rival porches etc in high end sports car sort of areas. Personally, good and bad, the price will skyrocket, and it loses that really long, smooth look which is what i love about the newish supras.

Inane · Post by **Inane** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:06 pm

[quote="Jazza"]Saw one on TV, the supra concept car. Apparantly its engine is being designed to rival porches etc in high end sports car sort of areas. .[/quote]

why would they downgrade the engine and performance???

seriously, a 2jz-gte is easily a match if not superior to a majority of the porsche offerings...

so unless they are planning on competeing with the GT3 porsche (i think thats the one... the really expensive one with the really good engine)
which means theyll be upping the ante a wee bit

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:59 pm

saying things like that could spark ww3!!

Inane · Post by **Inane** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:06 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:saying things like that could spark ww3!!

pfftt.

Im not talking car v car here, im talking engine v engine!

pfft my caldina is waay quicker than many of the current lineup of porsche,

however - that is in a straight line, some of those porsches are stuck to the road like glue!

scotts2hot · Post by **scotts2hot** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:36 pm

Inane wrote:
Jazza wrote:Saw one on TV, the supra concept car. Apparantly its engine is being designed to rival porches etc in high end sports car sort of areas. .

why would they downgrade the engine and performance???

seriously, a 2jz-gte is easily a match if not superior to a majority of the porsche offerings...

so unless they are planning on competeing with the GT3 porsche (i think thats the one... the really expensive one with the really good engine)
which means theyll be upping the ante a wee bit

You're comparing a twin turboed engine to a N/A with the GT3, and the GT3 will spank the supra every way possible. Even the lowest spec 911's have more N/A horsepower than the 2JZ.

Comparing apples with apples in 1993 (when the 2jz came out, yeah?) the 911 turbo had 360 horsepower and 383 lb-ft torque. The last year of the 2JZ the 911TT 415HP had and the top model, the GT2 had 462 and was the fastest production car to lap the Nurburgring.
In 1979 the Porsche 911 turbo had a 0-60 of 4.9 seconds around 15 years later the supra was still 1 second slower.

Jazza · Post by **Jazza** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:14 pm

I was merely stating what ive heard. And i dont know alot about porches but i believe it was being designed to compete with porches up and coming release.

Al · Post by Al » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:38 pm

Inane wrote:pfft my caldina is waay quicker than many of the current lineup of porsche,

You are kidding right? Even a Boxster S would hand it to a slushbox gtt.

Inane · Post by **Inane** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 7:34 am

Al wrote:
Inane wrote:pfft my caldina is waay quicker than many of the current lineup of porsche,

You are kidding right? Even a Boxster S would hand it to a slushbox gtt.

not with the guy I know who owns one driving obviously.

Timmo · Post by **Timmo** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:19 am

You're comparing a twin turboed engine to a N/A with the GT3, and the GT3 will spank the supra every way possible. Even the lowest spec 911's have more N/A horsepower than the 2JZ.

Comparing apples with apples in 1993 (when the 2jz came out, yeah?) the 911 turbo had 360 horsepower and 383 lb-ft torque. The last year of the 2JZ the 911TT 415HP had and the top model, the GT2 had 462 and was the fastest production car to lap the Nurburgring.
In 1979 the Porsche 911 turbo had a 0-60 of 4.9 seconds around 15 years later the supra was still 1 second slower.

2jz-gte was actually first released in the Aristo in 1991. The export model Supra was listed as 243 KW and road and track got a 4.9 second 0-60 mph out of it (interestingly, best motoring pitted the Aristo (auto) against an M5 (manual) and an auto Merc 500E....The Aristo was faster.

The Supra, price wise, was a competitor with the standard 911....and blitzed it

Si · Post by Si » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:22 am

maybe supra will be pronounced sup----ra. just like porche-a

Inane · Post by **Inane** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:28 am

Mr Revhead wrote:saying things like that could spark ww3!!

my job here is done.

gmacrae · Post by **gmacrae** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:09 pm

Good luck getting 900-1000hp from any stock porche block. I'd imagine the new v6 supra engine will be a step backwards in terms of strength and 'moddability' also.

scotts2hot · Post by **scotts2hot** » Wed Mar 01, 2006 5:21 pm

gmacrae wrote:Good luck getting 900-1000hp from any stock porche block. I'd imagine the new v6 supra engine will be a step backwards in terms of strength and 'moddability' also.

Good luck getting a stock supra near a 911 on a race track. Porsches are sports cars not drag cars. Personally I think it's a shame if they go with a V6, supras have always been straight 6's, it's their thing.

"The Supra, price wise, was a competitor with the standard 911....and blitzed it"

With 243KW I should hope so, a standard 964C2 has about 250HP IIRC. I test drove one a few months back, they're awesome cars and you can be at insane speeds really quickly without it even feeling like it's accelerating hard and it just sticks to the corner like it's on rails.

You've also got to remember it depends on your sources, I've seen vids of 911's vs GTR's vs NSX's and the 911 comes out on top and I've seen GTR's vs Supras and NSX's where the supra wins.

Price wise Japanese cars are almost always better but IMO they don't get anywhere near sporty euros especially Porsches in terms of driving feel and style.