LAW on Speeding Tickets and obtaining Exact Speed Reading

[gtpornstar]

Just wanted to know what is the law when it comes to a cop that claims to have 'seen' your car doing 70Km from his gauge and not being able to show you this after giving you a ticket with the excuse that he saw it and you were the only one on the street.

I have sped and been caught in the past but this time i was not speeding which is why I am going to fight this as far as I can.

Cops reasoning for smiling at me while I was explaining - I have seen your record so I know what kind of person you are.

I have a V1 and saw the cop a Km away ... I was doing 60 at the time and slowed down to 55. No my speedo is not wrong. At the time there was a car in front of him and one in front of me. So when he said that I was the only car on the road I argued but I think he is talking about later on as both cars turned off the road and it was just the cop car and me which means I was definitely not even doing 60.

I have no idea if he genuinely made a mistake and got a reading from another car somewhere else further along or if he was just stiring ....

Also thing is I had no passenger and it basically comes down to his word against mine and being a cop we all know who they will believe.

My question is this ... can a police officer give you a ticket without showing you a reading on his radar ? I know he can follow behind you for 6 seconds and then give you a ticket based on his following speed but another other way ?

[ollieboy]

can a police officer give you a ticket without showing you a reading on his radar ?

NO, That is why if you get caught speeding they should insist on showing you that you were speeding on their Hawk readout so they have something to fall back on.

I would be fighting this as well.

This mongrel bastard can't do what he did.

[beeker]

can a police officer give you a ticket without showing you a reading on his radar ?

NO, That is why if you get caught speeding they should insist on showing you that you were speeding on their Hawk readout so they have something to fall back on.

I would be fighting this as well.

This mongrel bastard can't do what he did.

Wrong.

They can pace you from behind and give you a valid ticket if: 1. their car speedo has been calibrated and has a current cert, and they follow the required policy of x meters and taking the average.

Net result, they can almost do what they want. Radar and Laser policies are different, but i beleive they again dont have to show you the actual device reading. ie when they have a guy on a bridge and several other chase cars doing persuit, ticket writing, and returning / circuits.

[bluemaumau]

Net result, they can almost do what they want.

thats what the top cop in wellington told me when i tried to take something to the top, basically told me cops are always right and can do whatever they like.

my opinion on nz police fell sharply after this

[86_rolla]

ive seen times when they go ohhh i was doing a 'pace check' i had to do 115km to catch. Well duh of course if you were doing the same speed you wouldnt be catching up.

I guess if your smart enough you could get off

[HELBND]

they dont have to show you a reading. unfortunately, its his word against yours

[pc]

I've always thought that if you ask to see the readout and they don't have it, then you don't get a ticket.... I don't know if its true tho. I do know that the hawk radars don't store date and time of the reading so they can easily show you a reading from 1/2 hour ago and you wouldn't know when it was taken.

[ollieboy]

I've always thought that if you ask to see the readout and they don't have it, then you don't get a ticket....

This is true.

Guys, My mum is a policewoman and what I said came directly from her and she knows, she has to, its her job.

[gtpornstar]

[quote="ollieboy"]

NO, That is why if you get caught speeding they should insist on showing you that you were speeding on their Hawk readout so they have something to fall back on.
[quote]

You sure about this ?
Cause I just want to know where I stand, it was on his dash display unit.

[gtpornstar]

Wrong.

They can pace you from behind and give you a valid ticket if: 1. their car speedo has been calibrated and has a current cert, and they follow the required policy of x meters and taking the average.

Yup I know this one ... I mentioned it in my post. But he was facing me.

[gtpornstar]

This is true.

Guys, My mum is a policewoman and what I said came directly from her and she knows, she has to, its her job.

AWESOME !
Is your mum in traffic ?

Yeah he was erring and umming when I asked him to show it to me. Starting talking about difference in speeds and that he calcuated it from my speed minus his.

Ok time to write a good letter ....

[ollieboy]

So did he have a Hawk or similar device with your speed on it?
And I don't get the part about his speed minus yours, sounds like hes just buggering you round. (not that buggery has anything remotely to do with the situation at hand.)

Yeah my mum worked in traffic years ago, not anymore though, shes sort of moved round quite a bit and has gone back to a non-sworn member in the communications centre.

[gtpornstar]

So did he have a Hawk or similar device with your speed on it?
And I don't get the part about his speed minus yours, sounds like hes just buggering you round. (not that buggery has anything remotely to do with the situation at hand.)

Yeah my mum worked in traffic years ago, not anymore though, shes sort of moved round quite a bit and has gone back to a non-sworn member in the communications centre.

Not sure what sits on his Dashboard but I dont think its a hawk ie it is not a gun hand held type ... he was driving towards me.
Nothing showed on this device as I insisted that I had to see it though he didnt want to show it to me.

Exactly what he said was not clear as his english was not that great (I think he is a new asian recruit) He said that there is a speed reading on the device and he minused that from his speed to get my speed ... sounded like bullsh*t and something the device itself should do based on direction he is travelling, his speed and where he is getting the signal from.

Sweet, I'll write in and see what they say ... got a little heated towards the end and probably was a little smart to him but I'm sure anyone else would be if this happened to them.

Thanks for your help man.

[ollieboy]

Yeah he sounds like a bit of a bastard. Don't write in too soon, I will talk to my mum and let you know good things to say to help in your case.

Oh and BTW: Just for some info, my mum left traffic because in her words. "Some of them are wankers."


But yeah it sounds like he was just being a moron.

Good Luck man

[Adydas]

Cops do make mistakes, heres a little story.

My mum got pulled over for doing 70 in a 50k zone, my mum explaind to the cop, No no i live down the road this is defantly a 70k zone.

Non the less the cop Insisted she was in the wrong but would allow her off with a warning, but was very essuring that it was a 50k zone and she was speeding.

Later that day we checked out the road, Porchester rd if memory serves right in manurewa, and sure enought just up the road was a 70kph zone sign.

To add insult to injury my mum works for the police HQ in Otahuhu, non the less nothing was done but if it was ME in her postion i bet i would have got a ticket where as an adult in a family car she got a warning, non the less i can understand your frustration as it can happen that mistakes are made, and i find it hard to belive that there are cases where police abuse there position, everyone one else in other jobs does it why not them?

Bad mood take it out with some flashing lights, and stiring up an argument they KNOW they can win as they have the GOVT behind them.


A tad off the topic at hand but i guess to sum up what im saying, Im behind ya and you should fight it despite the fact your Garanteed to lose.

[ollieboy]

Cops do make mistakes, heres a little story.

My mum got pulled over for doing 70 in a 50k zone, my mum explaind to the cop, No no i live down the road this is defantly a 70k zone.

Non the less the cop Insisted she was in the wrong but would allow her off with a warning, but was very essuring that it was a 50k zone and she was speeding.

Later that day we checked out the road, Porchester rd if memory serves right in manurewa, and sure enought just up the road was a 70kph zone sign.

To add insult to injury my mum works for the police HQ in Otahuhu, non the less nothing was done but if it was ME in her postion i bet i would have got a ticket where as an adult in a family car she got a warning, non the less i can understand your frustration as it can happen that mistakes are made, and i find it hard to belive that there are cases where police abuse there position, everyone one else in other jobs does it why not them?

Bad mood take it out with some flashing lights, and stiring up an argument they KNOW they can win as they have the GOVT behind them.


A tad off the topic at hand but i guess to sum up what im saying, Im behind ya and you should fight it despite the fact your Garanteed to lose.

Yeah its sad really. Like my mum says. "There really is no line between being a police officer and being a criminal."

Once at a dinner party we were talking about the Los Angeles Police and how violent and corrupt they were. Someone across the table piped up "Lucky New Zealand doesn't have a corrupt police force." My mum just laughed to herself and said, "If only you really knew." I think this shows the condition of todays police force.

[$CENSLS1$]

They,like us are only human...Doing their job to the 'best of their ability'.My question is, what is their job?Is it to really keep us all safe on the road?Is it to stop accidents occuring?Is it to play cat and mouse with 'Boyracers'?Is it revenue collecting?Are they Helen's collectors?

When we all know that we will understand why they make the decisions they make.I don't have anything to gripe about with them,i've been let off twice for various things and the cops I have dealt with have been very good.Obviously they're not all like that...

[vhpacer]

I'll save you the hassle mate. Dont even bother, you will NOT win.

[slighty_sykotic]

I've always thought that if you ask to see the readout and they don't have it, then you don't get a ticket....

This is true.

Guys, My mum is a policewoman and what I said came directly from her and she knows, she has to, its her job.

Guess what? My mum is a traffic cop.... And that is complete bullshit.

Sorry, they do not have to show you anything, if you don't agree, thats your right, and thats what the courts are there for.

Btw, if you fight it, and lose in court, it will turn into a SOMETHING THAT MATTERS, not just a instant ticket.

--Sykotic

[slighty_sykotic]

And if you don't want to believe me, ring up a cop that know what they are doing.... (sorry ollieboy, your mum is wrong).

--Sykotic