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Postby Skin » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:57 pm

right, someone bring some industrial sized scales to my place, and we will put my engine on it and put this arguement to rest once and for all!!!
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Postby Lloyd » Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:58 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:google appears to be saying 13b NON turbo weights 146ish kg assembled as it would be in a car.


May as well just put a Revhead in your car and have the same result :lol:

Go the SR20 in the RX7, as much as I hate those engines.

Go for the 4AGTE, it'll be a nice responsive engine if you set it up right and you know parts and things are going to be (relatively) cheap and easy to find. Plus there are enough people around who have done it to give helpful advice and so on. And they're a nice simple engine.

Failing that, go the 5K 8)
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Postby AE85coupe » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:03 pm

turbo + manifolds is dam heavy

but still

145kg = lots
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Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:03 pm

yes mark. they are.

if you struggle to lift 85kg like that, well best you go to the gym! :lol:
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Postby Skin » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:29 pm

well i lifted it into the boot of a corona by myself :P

And manifolds and turbos dont weigh that much aye, i would guess my setup would be 15kg at the most
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Postby crnkin » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:34 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:google appears to be saying 13b NON turbo weights 146ish kg assembled as it would be in a car.


sweet i was 1 kg off.

Ground type scales actually wont be acurate to weigh things anyways. I semi understand pretty well how they work, and no matter how much you try to position something on a set of scales theyll always be out, more so on something like an engine, as they are very dense, so wont spread to all load cells.

Best way is to hang it off a set of hanging scales with a spring weight, then its heaps more accurate.

And yes, 85kg= not that heavy. I can lift a 4agze out of my car over the xmember by myself, and im not exacly team (dan the big bear), and theyre well over 100kg with 5kg of oil, 3kg of water etc. (admittedly strugling but hey i only weigh 68kg's) (lies, im 78 at the moment)

Rotorys are farken heavy, dont get that wrong. Go the 1uz!
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Postby crnkin » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:35 pm

Skin wrote:well i lifted it into the boot of a corona by myself :P

And manifolds and turbos dont weigh that much aye, i would guess my setup would be 15kg at the most


ht18 plus downpipe only weighs 13kg. So nzpost reckons

Then theres the ex mani and a fock load of other stuff.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:42 pm

but ANYWAY.


this is about what engine dave should use
not how ghey rotarys are :P

i still say 3sge, for the reasons given above
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Postby AE85coupe » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:44 pm

4age

because it will so so god dam easy to do

good to roar round in till you save some cash and get your suspension and driveline sorted for the big power
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Postby deaf_rattle » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:32 pm

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Mr Revhead wrote:google appears to be saying 13b NON turbo weights 146ish kg assembled as it would be in a car.


sweet i was 1 kg off.

Ground type scales actually wont be acurate to weigh things anyways. I semi understand pretty well how they work, and no matter how much you try to position something on a set of scales theyll always be out, more so on something like an engine, as they are very dense, so wont spread to all load cells.

Best way is to hang it off a set of hanging scales with a spring weight, then its heaps more accurate.

And yes, 85kg= not that heavy. I can lift a 4agze out of my car over the xmember by myself, and im not exacly team (dan the big bear), and theyre well over 100kg with 5kg of oil, 3kg of water etc. (admittedly strugling but hey i only weigh 68kg's) (lies, im 78 at the moment)

Rotorys are farken heavy, dont get that wrong. Go the 1uz!


you said 1uz was lighter than 145, not the rotary. .
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Postby Dell'Orto » Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:59 pm

Estimate all you want, when I had an NA 13B delivered to my house on a pallet, the weight was 112kg. Thats a complete motor, flywheel to fan with oil. Pallet wouldnt weigh a hell of a lot, maybe 10kg tops?
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Postby Skin » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:03 pm

Mmm, Boost wrote:Estimate all you want, when I had an NA 13B delivered to my house on a pallet, the weight was 112kg. Thats a complete motor, flywheel to fan with oil. Pallet wouldnt weigh a hell of a lot, maybe 10kg tops?


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Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:15 pm

not many if any freight companys accurately weigh private items :wink:

worked in that industry long enough to know that!
funny how i could unload a 105kg fireplace, but not a 85kg box of engine parts :lol:

and belive it or not, i have actually lifted more than a couple of rotarys. and they are NOT light. compact, yes. but not as light as most believe. i once had a bluebird that had a rotary lowering kit in the boot :lol:
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Postby Dell'Orto » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:17 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:not many if any freight companys accurately weigh private items :wink:

I doubt it'd be more than 10kg over what they say though.
and belive it or not, i have actually lifted more than a couple of rotarys. and they are NOT light. compact, yes. but not as light as most believe.


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Postby RomanV » Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:23 pm

AE85coupe wrote:4age

because it will so so god dam easy to do

good to roar round in till you save some cash and get your suspension and driveline sorted for the big power


Actually, yep!

This one sounds like the winner for the meantime.

It's going to be farking easy to fit in a 4AGE, especially if I can get a cheap donor car. :)

I mean it's going to take a fair while to get a hilux or F series rear (and bits fabricated on as necessary), W5* mid shifter, bellhousing, radiator, altezza intake manifold, altezza sump/oil pickup, S series RWD mounts, etc etc etc. It's mostly just waiting till I've got the cash for it all though.
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Postby Jebus » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:20 am

4AGE Homie, with a link, then turbo later. Thatll do it.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:36 am

yeah but the turbo isnt the best idea for long term
remember this is for a track car. end up in the 2-3ltr class
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Postby kingcorolla » Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:50 pm

i vote go with a 6cyl turbo motor

carinas are pretty chunky little hatches and little 1600 4agers struggle to get those thighs in motion

for all the trouble of a conversion your better off with a big stonking motor more than capable of getting up and going.

too keep it toyota though your limited to 7m? jz? 1g even?
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Postby AE85coupe » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:24 pm

7m hahaha hahahaha oh god hahahaha


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Postby suberimakuri » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:37 pm

that carina should tip in at 920kg with t series running gear and strip with no cage. all steel panels.

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