ae101 4agze gearbox compatibility

[TRD_ZERO]

Im wanting to install a 4agze gearbox into my ae111 (blacktop). What will i need for it to bolt up? flywheel? clutch? cv shafts? or does it just bolt straight up no issues?

[Bazda]

why would u wana do that?? unless ur gona turbo ur ae111
but yea u will need flywheel, clutch, drive shafts.

[TRD_ZERO]

The 3rd and 2nd gear syncros are on thier way out they arnt bad but piss me off so i want a new gearbox and yes the plan is to turbo it in the long run. And even if i wasnt going to turbo it you make it sound like such a bad idea? is it?

[flygt4]

itll make your car slower unless you have enough torque.
the ratios are different, the 20v won't be able to use it properly. the e series boxes are designed for a engine with torque at low revs revving to 6500rpm , the c series with the shorter ratios are designed for a high revving n/a to take advantage of it.

for example with a redline of 8500 rpm, my ae92 gtz gearbox does 110km in 2nd, and 165-170 in 3rd and some silly number on 4th.

the n/a series are more like 100km-140km-170km

oh and e series have shit synchros too

[strx7]

the ratio's aren't crash hot for a N/A engine

[TRD_ZERO]

SO what ur telling me its a sh!t idea to get it.

[TRD_ZERO]

what is the ratio difference? like what does the c56 do in 2nd?

[Bazda]

if u put the gtz box on ur n/a eng, it will go liek shit between gear changes, the ratio drop from 2nd to 3rd is huge and same to 3rd to 4th compared to the n/a box.

[TRD_ZERO]

I found this but have no idea what it means

C56 North American Celica ZZT230 00-05, AE101, AE111 Levin/Trueno
1st: 3.166
2nd: 1.904
3rd: 1.392
4th: 1.031
5th: .815
final drive: 4.312

E58 Levin/Trueno MAP 4AGZE
1st - 3.214
2nd - 2.045
3rd - 1.333
4th - 0.972
5th - 0.820
Final-3.944

[Bazda]

these are the speeds u would do in each gear with the n/a box
1st 55.37
2nd 92.07
3rd 125.94
4th 170.03
5th 215.10


this is with a gtz box
1st 59.63
2nd 93.72
3rd 143.78
4th 197.18
5th 233.73

this is done with a 62in rolling radius and both at 8000rpm, u can see teh big jumps in speeds on the gtz box compared to the n/a box.

[TRD_ZERO]

thanks for that its really helpful, first and second is ok but i see the jump to third which is kinda crap but im turboing my car anyway and got told to get a gtz box for the turbo conversion and so here we go.

[flygt4]

c series box is still good if you''re not making stupid power.

[Mr Revhead]

yeah c series ratios are heaps better than e series.
even for forced induction.
c series is good for 250ish hp.
having said that torque kills boxs not hosepower.

so imo mild turbo use the c series box.

if your like bazda and are crazy get a e series