3SGTE/3SGE Exh Manifold Q's.

[KE25-KP30]

Hey just got some (hopefully) quick questions in regards to 3S manifolds....

First up, can anyone tell me if the main flange that bolts to the head is the same between the GE and GTE? (I think i'm talking Gen 2 here, ST185, SW20)

Secondly, is there any difference between the SW20 and ST185 Turbo manifolds?

Thirdly, long shot, but does anyone have any photos of either the SW20 or ST185 with a GTE and exhaust manifold in the bay, but no turbo, just to see the factory positioning of the manifold in regards to where everything else sits. (Hopefully this makes some sense!)

Why? I'm thinking along the lines of when going rear drive.... From what I've seen, if the engine's kept on the original angle the original intake manifold could be used, and wondering where the turbo's going to sit (i.e Halfway thru the strut tower or up thru the bonnet)
Perhaps a GE manifold could be modded to work if the flange is the same?? Or perhaps it's easier to just get a custom jobbie from the start-It's all $$$ tho!

Anyway, any comments/ideas/etc would be appreciated-All in the name of R&D!!

Cheers

[Boosted_162]

Hey just got some (hopefully) quick questions in regards to 3S manifolds....

First up, can anyone tell me if the main flange that bolts to the head is the same between the GE and GTE? (I think i'm talking Gen 2 here, ST185, SW20)

I can check this out tomorrow. I have a spare 3SGTE and 3SGE manifold

Secondly, is there any difference between the SW20 and ST185 Turbo manifolds?

Unsure of this sorry

Thirdly, long shot, but does anyone have any photos of either the SW20 or ST185 with a GTE and exhaust manifold in the bay, but no turbo, just to see the factory positioning of the manifold in regards to where everything else sits. (Hopefully this makes some sense!)

My 3SGTE is currently in my ST185 with no manifold. Ill put the manifold only on tomorrow and take a picture.

Why? I'm thinking along the lines of when going rear drive.... From what I've seen, if the engine's kept on the original angle the original intake manifold could be used, and wondering where the turbo's going to sit (i.e Halfway thru the strut tower or up thru the bonnet)
Perhaps a GE manifold could be modded to work if the flange is the same?? Or perhaps it's easier to just get a custom jobbie from the start-It's all $$$ tho!

Anyway, any comments/ideas/etc would be appreciated-All in the name of R&D!!

Cheers

[Akane]

Same flange bolt pattern, the GE and GTE heads are almost identical.

I'm 99% certain the intake manifolds are the same.

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For RWDness you should keep the factory 3S-GTE exhaust manifold (It sits approx #3 to #4 which is good - brings the turbo forward), using a 3S-GE intake manifold and swap ends (hack and weld), if you're not keen on hack and weld then just keep the 3S-GTE intake manifold and do a RB20DET style intake.

Since I provided you with valueable information, it's mandatory to do a skid and post it on youtube as reimbursement once the said car is finished.

[KE25-KP30]

First off, thank's both for the quick replies!

Boosted_162, I'd appreciate a photo or two, only if it's not too much drama!!

and Akane, cheers for clearing that up, it always pays to ask someone who knows!! Indeed, I'll put up some skid vids when it's done-Don't know when it'l be, but hopefully one day in the near enough future!!!

Cheers

[RomanV]

If I recall, the NA head has less studs for the exhaust manifold.

Also your intake manifold may end up poking through the bonnet, if it's anything like the NA one.

[Boosted_162]

The 3SGE intake infact does bolt up to the 3SGTE, however it seems you may have to use the TVIS plate to bolt it up.

Pictures of the manifold coming soon, just charging my camera batteries so i can get them off the camera.

[Boosted_162]

Hope that helps.

EDIT: I just noticed that i put my ST165 manifold on. I dont think its different bar missing 2 studs. I have another ST185 manifold somewhere if its different.

[Akane]

It shouldn't hit the bonnet because how it's mounted on an angle, ofcourse there are people who mount it straight, then you'll need to think about a custom intake.

There are 7 stud and 9 stud turbo manifolds, the 7 stud are the early revision one (shown by boosted 162), i have the later revision 9 stud manifold, they're both interchangeable between both revisions's head and manifolds, just that you'll end up not bolting up the last 2 stud holes.

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[KE25-KP30]

Wow, they do say a picture beats 1000 words!!!
That's awesome Boosted_162, thanks a tonne, much appreciated.

Nice looking 86 there. Is that an earlier 3S? It seems, from what I've read/heard, it's best to leave them on the original angle or you have issues with oil not draining from the head, and problems with running bearings etc. Also, from the looks of it here, you can use the original intake and exhaust with the lean, and i think also original sump- which makes things a whole lot easier!!

Hopefully one day in the near(ish) future I'll be able to try all this info out and see what's the best option!

Cheers again

[Boosted_162]

There is an awesome writeup somewhere on the tips to converting a 3SGTE somewhere. I read it while i was considering a RWD 3SGTE. Ill see if i can find it for you.

[KE25-KP30]

Awesome, that would be great!

[Boosted_162]

http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/7177 ... plant.html

Theres a few tips on there, but it wasnt the site i was thinking of.

[KE25-KP30]

Interesting reading there.... I hadn't thought about the starter motor/factory exhaust manifold situation. Have to do some more research!!

Just today, I've lined up a CE71 Corolla Wagon. Factory 1C, W56 and high roof- Perfect for a 3S-GTE I'm thinking, as the C bellhousing bolts up to the S's. A while back I priced up getting a bellhousing cut and shut-Spun 30-odd degrees and 10mm taken out, so I think that's the way at this stage!! I think it was somewhere between $200 and $300 which seemed reasonable.

Some inspiration for me: Go the high roofs!!









And... I believe a 3S!!



Cheers for the answers, and I'm sure there'll be more (questions) in the future!!

Kent

[sergei]

ST165 manifold is different. It sits the turbo about 5cm higher.
Also it is missing couple of studs and is single entry.
Also very prone to cracking and warping.

[KE25-KP30]

Ahhh, it's steering towards just doing a custom job... At least then everything should fit up!

What sort of price are you normally looking at for a custom mild steel jobbie?

[Akane]

That's an Altezza 3S, which you should lean towards if you plan to go FR, everything is in the right place and it's a lot easier.

[KE25-KP30]

I know the inlet manifold looks like an Altezza one, but i dont think the cam cover looks like one.... More like a 3S-GTE with an Altezza Manifold on it?? Don't know....

How does one go about turboing a 3S-GE Beams?? Will they run on a stock ECU and Internals on a mild set-up?

Oh, one more thing, is a 1C-W bellhousing the same as a 2C-W bellhousing?

Cheers again!

[KinLoud]

Might be minor differences e.g. slave a bit lower/release arm slightly different shape but if should work the same.
Don't pay more than $50 for one!..... all mine have been $50 or cheaper!

Ken
Ham
021 408 863

[KE25-KP30]

Ah beaut, cheers for that, getting a tad worried there for a min.

No probs about price, it's coming factory on the car!!