Anyone know of any Turbo 2ZZGE's?

matt dunn · Post by **matt dunn** » Wed May 02, 2007 12:14 am

Does anyone know of an actual turbo'd 2zzge engine around?

Or has anyone had one in bits to see how strong the internals etc etc are?
rods mainly,

Matt

RedMist · Post by **RedMist** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:58 am

What about supercharging? The Lotus Exige. I think TRD also have a supercharging kit.
From my understanding its the oil pumps that are weak in those engines.

Alycia · Post by **Alycia** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:11 am

That was only a certain batch of engines afaih (Saffa built) and it was to do with harmonic resonance.

Wazza will elaborate further I'm sure.

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:29 am

Have heard of three supercharged celicas all done in Auckland, and all died a natural(considering the comp ratio) death prior to being paid off.

I intend to do turbo my little RunX.

The oil pump isn't just the SA built ones, but also appears to be caused by mis-shifts more than an actual fault with the pump... well, something about the harmonic stuff not being right over 10000RPM(hence the mis-shift thing).

NA it is an awesome engine, Turbo it looks to be quite good too.

For any engine parts, try "C2 Power" and "Monkey Wrench Racing"... they seem to be about the only places doing stuff, or atleast collating parts into an easily buyable place.

Ask away, I've learned heaps about them in the last 9 months or so.

Here is the dyno plot from a US Celica with Turbo kit.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:23 am

come to think of it mclennans up here had a celica with turbo kit....

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Wed May 02, 2007 2:44 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:come to think of it mclennans up here had a celica with turbo kit....

Pic? preferably of the engine bay... or better yet, of the exhaust header etc, although that'd be a confusing pic from above or below the engine on a 2zz.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed May 02, 2007 4:04 pm

if i can.. mclennans is a workshop, so it was a customers car

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:34 pm

Right then... well, these guys seem to have plenty of them.

http://www.9thgencorolla.com/index.php
as do these guys.
http://www.newcelica.org
and these guys...
http://genvibe.com

as well as quite a few forums for the lotus exige and elise

matt dunn · Post by **matt dunn** » Wed May 02, 2007 7:14 pm

RedMist wrote:What about supercharging? The Lotus Exige. I think TRD also have a supercharging kit.
From my understanding its the oil pumps that are weak in those engines.

Been down the supercharging route before and well,

the results suct arsse.

Superchargers are for road cars and 1500hp+ V8's.

on a 1600/1800/2000cc they are too restrictive and power absorbing.

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:07 am

matt dunn wrote:Been down the supercharging route before and well,

the results suct arsse.
Superchargers are for road cars and 1500hp+ V8's.

On the 2zz there are two SC kits that I know of, both give relatively ok'ish results, but cost way too much($5k and $8k, for ~220-240HP) for the minimal benefit.

How about a 505ps 1.8L Celica with a 2zz?
http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_celica_gts.html

Specs:
MWR built 2ZZ race engine
MWR stainless manifold and pipes
Garrett GT30R turbo
Large MWR FMIC
GReddy Type RS BOV
MWR 750cc injectors
MWR 255lph fuel pump
Power FC standalone ECU

Performance:
505p at the wheels @ 24psi
375ft-lb at the wheels

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:57 am

ok the celicas i was talking about was actually s/c

and crap.... stock internals, s/c bolted on blowing through stock intake....

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:30 am

Mr Revhead wrote:and crap.... stock internals, s/c bolted on blowing through stock intake....

The Blitz blower one is mounted somehow in front of the factory intake, blows to a front mount, then into the engine. They re-flash the ECU somehow(two weeks as it is sent to Germany). Seems to give 220ish HP(atw) with nothing else done, and costs $8k NZ plus install

The Greddy blower removes the factory intake and replaces it with an all in one blower(ML45?) intake thing, like the big V8s have, no intercooler, and engine management is done with a piggyback Greddy Ultimate. Includes 440cc injectors(factory are 330ish depending on year)Seems to give ~240HP(atw) with no other mods.

Both have electric clutch on them, the Blitz one gets called barker, as it tends to bark if you blip the throttle... there are some mean as videos on my old site...
http://www.dave.net.nz/old_site/

mister2 · Post by **mister2** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:43 am

Been down the supercharging route before and well,

the results suct arsse.

Superchargers are for road cars and 1500hp+ V8's.

on a 1600/1800/2000cc they are too restrictive and power absorbing.

Dunno about that, Matt - check out this Civic http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/22838_1989_honda_civic_si/
487Hp at 27psi supercharged boost, 1.5L motor, 11.2:1 compression!

Turbos have definitely had more development though.

Cheers

Nick

soopachargen · Post by **soopachargen** » Fri May 04, 2007 4:22 pm

theres a supercharged 2zz wagon in the latest performance car mag...?

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Fri May 04, 2007 4:45 pm

soopachargen wrote:theres a supercharged 2zz wagon in the latest performance car mag...?

damn it... I'm trying not to buy it anymore, and there you go giving me a reason to get it...

but seriously... thanks for that, cool to know.

Adamal · Post by **Adamal** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:30 pm

Matt: What type of S/C were you using?

rage · Post by **rage** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:35 pm

barryogen wrote:
soopachargen wrote:theres a supercharged 2zz wagon in the latest performance car mag...?

damn it... I'm trying not to buy it anymore, and there you go giving me a reason to get it...

but seriously... thanks for that, cool to know.

as quick as an audi rs6 to 100kmh:)

deaf_rattle · Post by **deaf_rattle** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:37 pm

rage wrote:
barryogen wrote:
soopachargen wrote:theres a supercharged 2zz wagon in the latest performance car mag...?

damn it... I'm trying not to buy it anymore, and there you go giving me a reason to get it...

but seriously... thanks for that, cool to know.

as quick as an audi rs6 to 100kmh:)

no way!
next you will be saying it will beat rs legacies

matt dunn · Post by **matt dunn** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:01 pm

Adamal wrote:Matt: What type of S/C were you using?

we were using a SC14 on a 1GGZE/1GGTE.

Experimented with the turbo, supercharger, and twincharge setup's
and found the more you relied on the s/c the worse the car went.

the twincharge setup made 30psi at 1200 rpm, which created far too much wheelspin, and then when it got above 5000rpm where the hp was made, the s/c took too much power out of the engine to compress the air.
we used a BOV to control boost back to 20 psi.

We were running mid field at a 2 day event, went home took out the s/c and bent up a piece of U shaped exh tubing and replaced the S/C with the piece of pipe and went back the next day and were straight away in the top 2 or 3.

S/C would be my choice for a road car, but not a race only machine.