F1 and Toyota...

[solitaire]

Why would you suggest that Toyota will beat Honda what has Toyota shown in the 5 races to date to suggest that Toyota can beat Honda where is there any evidence of this....

Good lord... what is wrong with you man? are you just lazy and cant be bothered researching before you post or is your timing out?

http://www.formula1.com/archive/team/2007.html

LOOK AT THE POINTS BESIDE TOYOTA AND HONDA

sorry for caps but this guy isnt listening

[fivebob]

Well I'm assuming you watched the race and you would have heard the commentators also taking the piss out of Toyota.I found there comments when Ralf Schumacher pitted that they said this is a day that you prayed for a mechanical breakdown and then went on to say how Toyota had so many issues that they could'nt put there finger on it and that there were so many things wrong and then went on to say how surprised they were considewring there spending 400 million odd $$$$ and had 1200 person team to do so badly I assume you heard that.Biggest JOKE going in F1 is Toyota....

I can only assume you hear what you want to hear, not what was said. Martin Brundle did say there was something not right in the "team", but I don't recall him taking the piss, and certainly not saying that Toyota was the biggest joke in F1, he's more professional than that.

Why would you suggest that Toyota will beat Honda what has Toyota shown in the 5 races to date to suggest that Toyota can beat Honda where is there any evidence of this.... How is a team that spends $400 million a year can't beat a team that spends 1/2 that.

Show me any links that say what Honda's budget is please??? Budgets are a closely guarded secret in F1 and anything would just be a guess. Anyway Honda is behind on points, qualifying, finishes in fact they're behind in all facets of F1. So how can you possibly think they will beat Toyota . Their car is in a worse shape than Toyota's and they have, IMHO, better drivers, so it must be really bad.

You say Toyota is making progress please now are you in the real world what progress are you referring to progress backwards and as for them beating Williams well they should shouldn’t they it would be very embarrassing if a team using your motors beat you.

You obviously have no understanding of the subtleties of F1, keep watching for a few more years and you might learn to judge performance a bit better. Though you'd have to be a bit more of a closer observer than you appear to be right now.

As for Williams beating Toyota, why not??? Motor spec is fixed until 2010, so customer engines will be the same spec as factory engines. Williams have far more experience than Toyota in the F1 game and they've been at the top before so they know how to make it work. If they didn't beat Toyota at this early stage of Toyota's involvement in F1 then they'd be consigned to the history books very soon as another also ran. However I expect both Williams and Toyota will have their time at the top again in the future.

In fact I suspect that Williams will adapt better to the common (Microsoft supplied) ECU next season, though that move will favour McLaren more than most

[2jayzgte]

Well I've seen one half of Toyota's drivers doing a not bad job but again I still can't see Toyota doing that much nearing the 1/2 way point of the season.Williiams look like they will surpass what Toyota are doing.Even the lowly rated Super Aguri are showing something which for a small team like that is impressive.But Toyota still extremely dissappointing in my view all that money spent and not that much to show....

[solitaire]

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Please see fivebobs post above and come back to us when you actually have some information to show us. I think we are all sick of saying the same thing over and over again.

[fivebob]

I still can't see Toyota doing that much nearing the 1/2 way point of the season.

We're now getting into the "home" season, where all the teams have a chance to develop for the next 7 races, so it's from now on that you can see how well they are doing. The first half of he season isn't the time to make judgements about which team is doing better in their development.

Williiams look like they will surpass what Toyota are doing.

Not unless they get rid of Wurz and his terrible qualifying record. Even Ralf has a better qualifying average than he does. And speaking of Ralf, looks like he's upped his game, and only just missed the top 10.

Trulli ahead of Rosberg, and Ralf not far behind doesn't bode well for your prediction. Keep watching for a few years an you may just start to understand what F1 is all about. Though I've been watching it for 40+years and I still don't fully understand what goes on

[2jayzgte]

I do have to say in Toyota's defence that Jarno Trulli is doing a good job with the equipment he has he seems to be able to consistently get into the last stage of qualifying which I suppose is progress..

But Toyota still lack race pace and look light years away from a podium unless there are alot of race accidents like in Canada.

Ralf well has shown he has speed this weekend but on a consistent basis he does'nt seem to be able to do the job.I hope they get rid of him because I believe he's had afair shot.

I watched GP racing preview program and they said that Toyota have been disappointing but even they mentioned they could'nt put there finger on whats wrong.

For all the rest of you guys that jump on me when I have mis quoted or got things wrong please feel free to have your own opinion on why Toyota are not doing well instead just making yourself feel better by jumping on me when I make a mistake.Mind you I suppose when you don't no either its easy to jump on someone who is just putting a objective opinion out there.......

[solitaire]

For all the rest of you guys that jump on me when I have mis quoted or got things wrong

Think about what your saying... if you come onto a toyota forum and make broad sweeping statements at least have the common respect for the rest of us to research your statements.... dont just say what you think you heard or what you mate who owns a honda told you.

making yourself feel better by jumping on me when I make a mistake

You have being quoting nothing but fiction for 5 pages... you'll will excuse me if i find your comments nothing but troublemaking especially after some of the authorities on the subject (which does not include me) have made some very measured and balanced rebuttles to your finger in the air judgements.

Mind you I suppose when you don't no either its easy to jump on someone who is just putting a objective opinion out there.......

Your opinoins are not objective because you are too lazy to do any basic research before you post a comment... then when someone provides evidence of why you are wrong you go quiet for a week and come back with another load of bollocks.

Seriously mate... all you are doing week after week is posting the same old drivel... take 15 minutes out of your day... do some research and post an educated point of view on the matter... you will find you receive the same in return.

[2jayzgte]

For all the rest of you guys that jump on me when I have mis quoted or got things wrong

Think about what your saying... if you come onto a toyota forum and make broad sweeping statements at least have the common respect for the rest of us to research your statements.... dont just say what you think you heard or what you mate who owns a honda told you.

making yourself feel better by jumping on me when I make a mistake

You have being quoting nothing but fiction for 5 pages... you'll will excuse me if i find your comments nothing but troublemaking especially after some of the authorities on the subject (which does not include me) have made some very measured and balanced rebuttles to your finger in the air judgements.

Mind you I suppose when you don't no either its easy to jump on someone who is just putting a objective opinion out there.......

Your opinoins are not objective because you are too lazy to do any basic research before you post a comment... then when someone provides evidence of why you are wrong you go quiet for a week and come back with another load of bollocks.

Seriously mate... all you are doing week after week is posting the same old drivel... take 15 minutes out of your day... do some research and post an educated point of view on the matter... you will find you receive the same in return.

Yeah last time I looked this is a open forum so I do believe I'm entitled to voice what I think rightly or wrongly but you keep on going doing what your doing whatever makes you feel good.If you think its drivel don't read it simple I think.

As for basic research how in accurate was my last post yeah thats right its way off.

You just keep sitting there and type your drivel.

Yes the one thing I do get here is Toyota's lack of expirence point taken I now realise this and have taken that on board but I wonder where else they have gone wrong I am very curious about that.

Now can anyone give me some clues to that or point me in the right direction???

[solitaire]

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You must be a very interesting individual... It is a free forum but im afraid that if everyone stopped telling you that your talking rubbish you would have nobody to talk to... What would make me feel good would be to have an educated debate about toyota's performance with you... but its a free forum so i guess thats a little too much to ask eh buddy?

[Mr Revhead]

now now ppl.....



lets see what happens over the next few races, as fivebob siad, this is where a LOT of development can be done.....


im going to lock this now, but i still want ppl to participate here:

THE OFFICAL TOYSPEED FORMULA ONE THREAD

i dont care if your a toyota fan, or a honda fan... lets talk F1!!!