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Postby rolla_fxgt » Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:51 am

darkwolf wrote:Why not try the direct method?

aking@ministers.govt.nz

Tell her exactly what you think - but remember that if you want to make an impact and not just sound like a total dickhead with massive clocks on his dash to ensure he can tell when his mum wants her car back then you have to keep it civil. You might get some rubbish back about how the world will be a safer place etc be be vigilant.

How about we bring into question the driving of some old people? I'm talking about retirees. I think is bs that NZ can't organise a way to ensure that they have mobility and aren't a risk to themselves or others. They harp on about how unsafe the younger generation is with their lack of attention, but what about the older generation? Nothing ever gets said about that, we have all heard the stories of the crazy old bat down that road that did such and such yet nothing gets done. Mention one twit "v-tecing it" and the whole country is up in arms.

Mrs Annette King seems so concerned about what the public think, why don't we the public put across our point of view rather than bitching on a forum that most of parliament doesn't know exists and wouldn't bother to read anyway.

(no offence intended to anyone in this message but I just think it's time we all stopped bitching and did something)


Good point & yes Annette by all accounts is one of the better ministers to deal with & not completely deluded like some of her colleagues or is that comrades?

Old people & driving is always going to loose votes & never gain them, grey power is quite a strong lobby group in NZ & most politicians listen to what they have to say on most things, cause to do otherwise is to loose the votes of most oldies. That's why they took away the older peoples driving test, instead of doing the logical thing & making it that everyone has to resit their licence every 10 years & making the roads safer to all. & also cause as a whole public transport in NZ is shithouse oldies need to get around somehow & trust me how many of you would be keen on being free taxi's for your parents or grandparents? So their goes your vote too if a particular political party made it harder for oldies to keep their licence.

The only answer to NZ's driving problems is more training that's hands on & useful, none of this airy fairy defensive driving stuff, having to be taught to drive by a qualified driving instructor (some drivers are such bad drivers they shouldn't be on the road themselves let alone passing on their incompetence to others), resits of licence every 10 years & repeat drink drivers loose their licence for life after their 3rd conviction & 8 years minimum jail & ratchet up the charges for the 2nd conviction to 1year jail & loss of licence for 3 years mandatory. We have far to many soft judges in NZ who let people off with community service & a small fine for their 8th or more drink driving charge. They only time they get a half decent sentence is when the kill or injure someone, but even then they usually only get a max of 5 years, & with parole they're out in 2. I think drink driving causing death should be a mandatory murder charge, cause if you get in your car drunk, that's as much a conscious effort as picking up a gun & shooting them.

Drink drivers are my biggest pet hate on the road, public naming & shaming should be also encouraged. end of rant
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Postby Mr.Phreak » Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:56 am

barryogen wrote:errr, yeah it is, and 95dB is plenty loud enough to cause some serious damage to hearing. An hour of 95dB will cause permanent damage, if you have a loud car, don't go on long trips or you'll turn into a deaf old b**tard.

If your ears happen to be where they measure noise output while the car is being driven for an hour, I'm guessing your hearing will be the last of your worries :lol:
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Postby FST4RD » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:06 am

Mr.Phreak wrote:
barryogen wrote:errr, yeah it is, and 95dB is plenty loud enough to cause some serious damage to hearing. An hour of 95dB will cause permanent damage, if you have a loud car, don't go on long trips or you'll turn into a deaf old b**tard.

If your ears happen to be where they measure noise output while the car is being driven for an hour, I'm guessing your hearing will be the last of your worries :lol:


Only thing is the deeper your exhaust the louder it comes up on the DB meter, so for everyone out there with tinny valves with a tinny raspy exhaust you should be sweet, it's people with bigger motors like 3sgte's and what not that are going to struggle with the deeper sounding exhaust....

And trust me I drove my old mini to the westcoast 4 times and that had a full race exhaust, not overly loud but my hearing will never be the same! :lol:
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Postby barryogen » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:27 am

FST4RD wrote:Only thing is the deeper your exhaust the louder it comes up on the DB meter


I'd like to argue that point with a tone generator... it makes no difference what the tone is on the dB measured, a dB is a dB no matter what tone the noise has...

However it makes a hell of a difference as to how loud it feels, and how annoying it is to people... both very subjective things.
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Postby sergei » Mon Dec 24, 2007 10:46 am

Tougher laws leads either (or) to police state or corruption. In russia laws are very tough but no one follows them, in states laws are also tough and police is on the rampage there, I personally don't want for new zealand to be like russia or USA.
This is not going to stop people getting killed in middle of nowhere because they where unaware that 100kph speed limit does not mean that you can negotiate that certain corner at 100kph. In my opinion most of the road kills are due to people misjudging the road conditions and not speeding, they could do well below speed limits and still come off down a cliff.
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Postby Quint » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:02 pm

50 demerits for running a stop sign... that makes me sad.
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Postby Bling » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:20 pm

50? you read the FIRST post?
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Postby Mad Murphy » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:37 pm

Quint wrote:50 demerits for running a stop sign... that makes me sad.

I've had too many close calls with people running stop signs, worst one woulda ended in my death if I'd been running a fraction of a second earlier. A moron drove right infront of me at well over 100kph (I was driving down an open road too). Most New Zealanders fail at stop signs IMO. I'd say ~80% of people I see never come to a complete halt.
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Postby method » Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:38 pm

Wow im glad it didnt come in earlier when i got a bunch of fines in a short space of time.

2X 61kph in a 50, 125 in a 100 and some other fines, was sitting on 85 demerits.

But i haven't had a fine in over two years now, or maybe im just older and wiser.. and haven't been caught
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Postby BlakJak » Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:44 pm

Entertaining thread to read.
Gratified that a number of posters have a good perspective on reality.
I had a whole big rant prepared but i've thought better of it... on the whole I agree with the law change and look forward to seeing less idiots on the road.
Though I do have to agree that it seems like serving demerit point based suspension needs to be a full time job for some agency... it won't do any good if they don't have the manpower to enforce it.

(if they do pull up a suspended driver and hes found to be over his demerit limit, they confiscate the license immediately I believe? Thats one bonus I guess.)

One concern I do have, is the serving of Demerit Points for photo-based incidents. All my demerits came from direct human-police interaction and at least I had a clear idea what was going on. It'd suck to be issued with points by mail...
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Postby barryogen » Mon Dec 24, 2007 3:19 pm

BlakJak wrote:One concern I do have, is the serving of Demerit Points for photo-based incidents.


hmm, having read three links(herald, yahoo and beehive) to stories about it, I didn't see any mention of changes to photo-based fines/etc. Infact, from the behive site...

What about speed camera offences?

Speed camera detected offences will remain the same.


The more I think about it, the happier I am with the changes...
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Postby FST4RD » Mon Dec 24, 2007 4:40 pm

barryogen wrote:
FST4RD wrote:Only thing is the deeper your exhaust the louder it comes up on the DB meter


I'd like to argue that point with a tone generator... it makes no difference what the tone is on the dB measured, a dB is a dB no matter what tone the noise has...

However it makes a hell of a difference as to how loud it feels, and how annoying it is to people... both very subjective things.


Tested this, My friend works out at the airport and used the DB meter in the hanger. Factory STI was over 95 db factory exhaust, his super charged levin with raspy exhaust and much much noisier came in at under 95 db, he was saying something about the deeper the note the more powerful and more it will read...
He was saying that they should do it on frequency as well...
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Postby Lloyd » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:08 pm

Indeed they should, makes a big difference. 140dB at 40Hz is a lot different to 140dB at 1kHz
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Postby barryogen » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:10 pm

FST4RD wrote:He was saying that they should do it on frequency as well...


The problem with that is that again it would be a subjective thing, differing age groups hear different tones more accurately.

Mass generalisations here...
Young folk can hear higher tones better.
Middle aged people can hear medium tones better.
Older folk hear lower tones better...

So, young folk put big subs and loud deep throbbing exhausts on their cars, and the middle and older folks complain about it.

I guess they could say that it should only be X number of dB between Y and Z htz, but then you'll have pedantic arseholes like us arguing that it's not fair :lol:
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Postby Mr Revhead » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:18 pm

FST4RD wrote:used the DB meter in the hanger. Factory STI was over 95 db factory exhaust


in a hanger? :?

and AT the exhaust? :?
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Postby BlakJak » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:37 pm

barryogen wrote:
BlakJak wrote:One concern I do have, is the serving of Demerit Points for photo-based incidents.


hmm, having read three links(herald, yahoo and beehive) to stories about it, I didn't see any mention of changes to photo-based fines/etc. Infact, from the behive site...

What about speed camera offences?

Speed camera detected offences will remain the same.


The more I think about it, the happier I am with the changes...


I agree, and I wasnt saying that they'd be doing camera based demerits now... sorry should've been more clear... what i mean is that they've threatened it in the past, and that's the next logical step sadly enough...
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Postby MR2SIK » Mon Dec 24, 2007 5:41 pm

barryogen wrote:
FST4RD wrote:He was saying that they should do it on frequency as well...


The problem with that is that again it would be a subjective thing, differing age groups hear different tones more accurately.

Mass generalisations here...
Young folk can hear higher tones better.
Middle aged people can hear medium tones better.
Older folk hear lower tones better...

So, young folk put big subs and loud deep throbbing exhausts on their cars, and the middle and older folks complain about it.

I guess they could say that it should only be X number of dB between Y and Z htz, but then you'll have pedantic arseholes like us arguing that it's not fair :lol:


and thats why we complain about 20v's with loud exhausts :L

I dont see how radar detectors can be illegal, I'd like to know when someones shooting a beam of radioactice whatever at me :roll:
And the demerits for noisy exhausts, demerits should only be issued on open/shut cases, not those open for interpretation.
My car can be loud, I never have any issues come WOF time,and only been pulled up once for it by a cop with nothing better to do, he ended up with nothing and told me it sounded like shit, but if he had the ability to issue demerits, he probably would have.
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Postby Si » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:07 pm

and in other news, police again see fit to reduce a state highway to a stop in order to catch a few people:

4000 cars stopped in six hours
Police drove home the road-safety message at Ohakea yesterday, stopping more than 4000 motorists as part of a safe summer driving campaign

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Postby d1 mule » Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:27 pm

im all for stopping everyone to catch a few drunk idiots as long as i done have to wait all day in line.

also everyone seems to think its generally a good idea to reduce fines and increase demerits, what makes you think that the kid with $30000 in un-paid fines will stop driving if he has no license?? i would bet my left one he wouldnt. Same goes for the 45year old busniess man in has HSV clubsport, he will still drive, itf too inconvienent to just stop driving so people wont, end of story.

i believe the most effective way would be crushing, 1st strike X ammount of demerits and a fine, 2nd strike car impounded and loss of license and a fine, 3rd strike crushed car paid for by the offender and a fine banned from owning a car , reguardless if its mummys and daddys car a rental or whatever.
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Postby BlakJak » Mon Dec 24, 2007 8:48 pm

d1 mule: be a little patient will ya? We didnt need to see 3 copies of your post... /sigh

Re Ohakea: They had to make a point, and make it they did. If they hadn't pulled up a single serious violation, then i'd have questioned it... but they did, which goes to prove that people are still being stupid on the roads. Nuff said...

(Actually curious to know exactly what kind of delays it did put into peoples journeys...)
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