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Postby NOLAW » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:59 am

getting one made but not sure how big i need it and what i need inlet/outlet wise, if someone could help me out with how big i need it and how many inlet/outlets breathers etc i need then that would be mint

motors a 16v 4agte

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Postby Distrb » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:30 am

if you want to enter events run under MSNZ permits then it needs to be at least 1 litre in capacity.

1 breather will be fine, and as many inlets as your cam covers have outlets (cant remember on 16v's).

drain bung on the base will also be useful in emptying it.
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Postby NOLAW » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:01 pm

can you have a return going out the bottom going back into the sump?
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Postby groupagt4 » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:06 pm

my rally car has so i suppose you can
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Postby ~SlideWays~ » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:11 pm

NOLAW wrote:can you have a return going out the bottom going back into the sump?


I've done it and it works well.

Being turbo, I thought you'd need 2L.
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Postby Distrb » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:18 pm

~SlideWays~ wrote:
Being turbo, I thought you'd need 2L.


nup, equivilence factor doesnt apply with respect to catch tanks.
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Postby NOLAW » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:46 pm

cheers guys
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Postby ~SlideWays~ » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:18 pm

Distrb wrote:
~SlideWays~ wrote:
Being turbo, I thought you'd need 2L.


nup, equivilence factor doesnt apply with respect to catch tanks.


Well call me nails and feed me rusty!
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Postby Leon » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:35 pm

It's a new clarification, and only came out in the most recent manual, so not everyone knows about it.
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Postby Crampy » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:47 pm

NOLAW wrote:can you have a return going out the bottom going back into the sump?


It's not always a good idea to have it drain back to the sump.
Apparently you get a bit more than just oil.
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Postby Distrb » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:00 pm

Leon wrote:It's a new clarification, and only came out in the most recent manual, so not everyone knows about it.


thank the goodness for book 34
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Postby NOLAW » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:33 pm

so might it be a better option to maybe just have it go into the can and have no return?
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Postby touge rolla » Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:08 pm

NOLAW wrote:so might it be a better option to maybe just have it go into the can and have no return?

Yeah oil is cheap as chips anyway.
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Postby ~SlideWays~ » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:46 am

touge rolla wrote:
NOLAW wrote:so might it be a better option to maybe just have it go into the can and have no return?

Yeah oil is cheap as chips anyway.


But the issue is 16v 4age's tend to push too much oil into the head while revving hard and it can't drain back fast enough, therefore pushes oil out the breather(s) and into the can. (this is why Toyota added an external oil drain to the smallport).

I only get that when driving around the track and always revving.
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Postby 4agtepwr » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:28 am

Mine threw out a heap of oil under high load/high boost above 8 grand, so i changed from na rocker covers to ze ones both with the bigger breathers with big hoses into my rangi 5 litre oil container/catch tank:), Also dont I dont run up to the full mark on the dipstick, around half seems to work well but thats up to you! All 4ages seem to do it but dont throw any oil out on the dyno. I also drilled and tapped the block for a drain from my head but im not really convinced that on its own does much, it really needs some form of baffle around it.
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Postby ~SlideWays~ » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:41 am

4agtepwr wrote: Also dont I dont run up to the full mark on the dipstick, around half seems to work well but thats up to you!


Not a good idea!

4age + corner speed + lots of rev's + less oil in sump = run bearing.

Normal street driving and straight line stuff is probably fine though. I usually overfill the oil a bit before going on the track just to be safe.
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Postby 4agtepwr » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:01 pm

fair enuff, have a mate here who drifts a 86 and he had the same problem, It would only biff a certin amount of oil out so he ran it at that level and was very careful about checking it.
That is why i did say its up to said person:) But yeah it race situation it would be worse
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