R35 Time at Nurburgring.

[2jayzgte]

I was just reading a article today and did'nt no what to make of it but apparently Porsche Suspension engineers were testing the R35 around the Ring and they reckon they could'nt get the new GTR to lap anywhere near the time quoted by Nissan they could only get it to 7.50 odd where Nissan have quoted 7.29.It went onto say that must have used some sought of slick or semi-slick tyre and also accused the Nissan people of cheating.

Now I don't no what to make of all this but they could be just crying over spilt milk cause the A**E is getting handed to them by a car 1/4 of the price of alot of the more expensive Porsches.

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/mo...referrer=email

New production car Ring records:

Maserati MC 12 7.24.2
Zonda F 7.24.6
Ferrari Enzo 7.25.4
Porsche Carrera GT 7.28.2
Koienigsegg 7.33

[Lith]

I was just reading a article today and did'nt no what to make of it but apparently Porsche Suspension engineers were testing the R35 around the Ring and they reckon they could'nt get the new GTR to lap anywhere near the time quoted by Nissan they could only get it to 7.40 odd where Nissan have quoted 7.29.It went onto say that must have used some sought of slick or semi-slick tyre and also accused the Nissan people of cheating.

Now I don't no what to make of all this but they could be just crying over spilt milk cause the A**E is getting handed to them by a car 1/4 of the price of alot of the more expensive Porsches.

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/mo...referrer=email

New production car Ring records:

Maserati MC 12 7.24.2
Zonda F 7.24.6
Ferrari Enzo 7.25.4
Porsche Carrera GT 7.28.2
Koienigsegg 7.33

You left the GTR out of that list above! Its been done, end of story. The GTR has finished ahead of the 911 Turbo in virtually every independant track test done, so I'd take it with a grain of salt if Porsche themselves claim its not achieveable.

[Timmo]

Heck im sure even if the driver that set the record, on the same day, in the same car went and did more laps they might be 5-10 seconds off.....The time that it achieved was the absolute best it could manage in near perfect conditions with a driver that knew the car and track intimately. I'm pretty sure he couldnt just jump in a Porsche and get the times they have either.


Meanwhile....initial reports of the V-Spec (or Spec-V or whatever it ends up being called) say it is lapping at 7.25!.....take that with a large grain of salt since that report isnt substantiated (i.e. probably just a guy with a stopwatch) but it will interesting to see how much faster it goes: Less weight, more power....I think I just blew my load.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/niss ... observers/

[Adamal]

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Hmm... Ex-Formula One driver Vs Chassis Engineer... How could those times possibly be so far apart without the aid of semi-slicks?

[Dragger_Dan]

Remember each engine is hand built, so i guess it is possible that their demo car might have a touch more power than the one Porsche tested. Also would it be possible to tune the handling and engine computers to better suit the Nurburgring?

I'm not saying Nissan cheated or Porsche are making it all up, rather just that there could be some explanations for this.

What would be real fun would be to get the top 10 fastest cars at the ring on the same day, with a dyno and some independent drivers.

[2jayzgte]

What my understanding of Porsche's arguement is the fact that Nissan used a Semi Slick tyre whereas all the Porsche times a done on a proper road tyre this is the jist of contention from Porsche to me.I don't doubt Nissan but on the other hand Porsche don't really have any reason to lie about something like this.

As for those other production car records a crowd by the name of Black Falcon racing grabbed all those cars and ran them and broke the production car lap record 3 times in 3 days in 3 different cars and manged to right off the 901 HP Koenigsegg in the process......

[Adamal]

n but on the other hand Porsche don't really have any reason to lie about something like this.

Aside from their cars being outdone by something that is a 1/4 the price etc etc

[touge rolla]

The time that it achieved was the absolute best it could manage in near perfect conditions

Actually I believe it was slightly damp when they set that time.
I'm sure if Nissan put one of their engineers into a Carrera GT they wouldn't get a 7.28
Of real interest is that Toyota have their sites set on the top of that list for the FT-HS

[Lith]

The time that it achieved was the absolute best it could manage in near perfect conditions

Actually I believe it was slightly damp when they set that time.
I'm sure if Nissan put one of their engineers into a Carrera GT they wouldn't get a 7.28
Of real interest is that Toyota have their sites set on the top of that list for the FT-HS

No Nissan initially claimed 7:3x for the damp track effort if I remember rightly, the 7:29 was a later outing in dry conditions. I thought Toyota had abandoned their supercar project recently?!

[touge rolla]

^ Probably have, though I prefer to believe that It will be out soon so it can start depreciating enough for me to afford one in 20 years or so

[RAZA]

Latest car to beat the GTR time, is wait for it.....

http://jalopnik.com/397308/corvette-zr1 ... ng-in-7264

a corvette.

[Si]

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Hmm... Ex-Formula One driver Vs Chassis Engineer... How could those times possibly be so far apart without the aid of semi-slicks?

Yeahhh....... guy who raced in 2x f1 races, vs a guy who raced in 75 rallies, won 14 and 2 world championships...


Röhrl was a World Rally Championship favorite throughout the 1970s and 1980s, winning the Monte Carlo Rally four times with four different marques. His Fiat 131 Abarth carried him to the 1980 title, but it was arguably his equivalent success in 1982 that impressed most of all, with Röhrl fending off audacious four-wheel drive opposition, led by Audi's resurgent Michèle Mouton, to take the title, by virtue of consistency, in his increasingly outmoded rear-drive Opel Ascona 400. It was also during this time that he won the African Rally Championship, in 1982.[1]


Röhrl driving a Quattro in 2005.In 1983, he joined Lancia to pilot the new, rear-wheel drive Lancia 037, before finally changing his machinery, in 1984, to the four-wheel drive Audi Quattro, an automobile actually incidentally produced in his home state of Bavaria.

Despite being selective in his choice of top-level events, albeit during a time when this was a less unusual occurrence for top-line drivers in the championship, he still scored 14 WRC victories in his career.

Röhrl was also successful in road racing events, and called "Genius on Wheels" by Niki Lauda. In an early 1990s 24 Hours Nürburgring race which saw fog and heavy rain in the night, he hardly slowed down, anticipating the corners by timing. The race was nevertheless interrupted for hours.

In recent years, he has been retained as the senior test driver for Porsche road cars, famously setting quick laptimes for them testing round the famous Nürburgring Nordschleife, for example with the Porsche Carrera GT.

[Lith]

Yeahhh....... guy who raced in 2x f1 races, vs a guy who raced in 75 rallies, won 14 and 2 world championships...

Read again, Rohrl is the USUAL tester however the person who was driving the GTR was not Rohrl....

Latest car to beat the GTR time, is wait for it.....

http://jalopnik.com/397308/corvette-zr1 ... ng-in-7264

a corvette.

Yeah that happened a wee while ago, the latest I have seen was a Viper haha

[deaf_rattle]

how did the lexus LFA compare to the gtr?

[Adydas]

Heck im sure even if the driver that set the record, on the same day, in the same car went and did more laps they might be 5-10 seconds off.....The time that it achieved was the absolute best it could manage in near perfect conditions with a driver that knew the car and track intimately. I'm pretty sure he couldnt just jump in a Porsche and get the times they have either.


Meanwhile....initial reports of the V-Spec (or Spec-V or whatever it ends up being called) say it is lapping at 7.25!.....take that with a large grain of salt since that report isnt substantiated (i.e. probably just a guy with a stopwatch) but it will interesting to see how much faster it goes: Less weight, more power....I think I just blew my load.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/niss ... observers/

Agreed, I remember my starlets best time at the drag strip.. and thinking to my self id somone asked what my car could do what would i quote? should i say 16 flat like what my best was? or should i be honest and say over 10+ drag races the average was 16.5 or so and that my 16 flat was a one off that i never got close to ever since?

[Mr Revhead]

Rohrl ftw! legend LEGEND

i couldnt give a rats arse how fast any of them go around the ring.... only one of those 2 makes my trousers bulge...
and certainly isnt some computer game on wheels....

it would be interesting to know exactly what tyres everyone ran on their respective laps.

[2jayzgte]

Unofficially the LF-A had been clocked at 7.24 but unofficial so it does'nt count.
I'm not surprised by that Corvette I mean the Z06 was quite a good car as well and it seems there just been tweaking it to get better and better hence the ZR1.

So have Toyota abondoned the LF-A for sure or what????Last time I heard it had been put back till 2010 and thats when the new NSX and V-Spec GTR are to be released.

Your the one Revvy Computer game on wheels lol....... interesting description of the GTR.

I think i mentioned it earlier but to me this is what Porsche are moaning at that 7.29 time would not be possible without the Semi Slick tyre where as Porsche,Corvette,Toyota and the others all set there time on the tyres the car will roll out of the showroom on.

[Snoozin]

So it's up to Nissan to roll out a GT-R again and prove everyone wrong

[cogent]

haha, sure, the Sport Cups the 911 turbo rolls out the door on are pretty much 'road tyres' only in name.

[Lith]

only one of those 2 makes my trousers bulge...
and certainly isnt some computer game on wheels....

it would be interesting to know exactly what tyres everyone ran on their respective laps.

None of them are a computer game on wheels, its just one car has a history of spanking euros and now they're starting to get a bit unhappy. It was always said the GTR was running on the tyres it rolls off the production floor on, it has two tyre options - one is a Bridgestone run flat and the other is a Dunlop SP Sport 600 tyre which if I understand are stickier.

The only R35 GTR I have seen on Manfeild was stock and running on the Bridgestone runflats and was running around the 1:15 mark, I've seen plenty of well modified cars on slicks not match that time.