Help, Starter Motor continiously spins

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:04 pm

Hi
Just finished hooking the wires back up on my 4k, the wireing is for and auto and im running a 4 speed manual ( not sure if that makes any difference) .

so i have doen everything the same as in my parts car which ran, (also auto) but when i connect the battrey the starter motor spins straight away but it does not engage either ,

there are only four wires in the bunch that goes to the starter motor

Black with white stripe (ignition)
main + lead
pain white wire (?)
black wire with red stripe (?)

if some k series magition could tell me what wire goes to where it would be much apprecieated

thanks in advance
Matt

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:28 am

bump, urgent

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:39 am

Unplug all but the main power wire and see if it still does it. If it doesn't then see which wire goes live when you turn the key. Hook that one up to the solenoid

And if it still does it then you'll probably have an issue inside the starter

Bling · Post by **Bling** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:44 am

Just had a quick look in my manual + out at my starlet and...

Can't see bugger all of the starter, but it looks to me that:

Black (fat) feeds directly to battery
Black with white stripe (ignition) fits to the solinoid I think on the starter

I have no other wires attatched to mine that I can see as it earths through the engine.

How many wires are you connecting? The key isn't in the start position is it when you connect the battery?

If none of the above helps, you may have to remove the starter and test its working correctly on a bench.

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:46 am

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/wired/wire ... r_jump.gif

when i find the right wire so i hook in up in series like in the link posted?[/url]

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:50 am

BZG|Bling wrote:Just had a quick look in my manual + out at my starlet and...

Can't see bugger all of the starter, but it looks to me that:

Black (fat) feeds directly to battery
Black with white stripe (ignition) fits to the solinoid I think on the starter

I have no other wires attatched to mine that I can see as it earths through the engine.

How many wires are you connecting? The key isn't in the start position is it when you connect the battery?

If none of the above helps, you may have to remove the starter and test its working correctly on a bench.

they way that you have it sounds right , i have the black with whit stripe connedted to the solinoid and the positive lead and a white wire connected to the bolt setup on the back of the starter, i think the white wire may be the prblem because i don't think i have a netural safety switch.

ill try just removing the white wire thismorning and fingers crossed it will solve it then

Cheers

Lloyd · Post by **Lloyd** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:58 am

If you wire the battery cable up to the solenoid like that then its always going to try and run

You should only need the power wire to the starter and a signal wire to the solenoid

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:02 am

ahh ok that makes sense

i will try that soon
thanks heaps for the help, ill let you know how I get on
cheers

ChaosAD · Post by **ChaosAD** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:27 pm

Have you checked that you used the right flywheel and gearbox when you converted to manual?

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:59 pm

the whole engine and gearbox setup was from a starlet , ive had it all running about a month ago, but i have just gone through and swapped the wires from my parts car, ( this may sound like where the problem is but it was just a simple plug in job so cant stuff that up) because they were rangi as, and i wanted to tidy it up a bit.

it cranked over a few weeks ago so i know it can do it,

so i have just set it up so that I only have the + lead and the ignition lead connected up but when i turn the key it just clicks,

battery is stuffed and will not hold charge so i had jumper leads on but could this still stop it from not having enough power to crank?

alot of mumbo jumbo info there that hopfully someone can makes sense of haha

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:12 pm

i think a better way to xplain it is now it is engaging, but isnt spinning, what a headache

postfach · Post by **postfach** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:20 pm

So, the starter clicks, but doesn't spin? or is the starter spinning but not turning the flywheel?

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:26 pm

the started clicks,doesnt spin so it doesnt spin the fly wheel , ive tried dissconnecting the starter relay and that stops the clicking,

is there much else i could try rather than taking it to the sparkeys?

postfach · Post by **postfach** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:32 pm

Yes, put the car in gear and rock it back and forward to rotate the flywheel a little, then try starting it again. The starter might be coming out and jamming on the ring gear.

Bling · Post by **Bling** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:39 pm

Put a non-dead battery in there too.

3T-Rona · Post by **3T-Rona** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:44 pm

Your starter could be
A. out of brushes, not the most likely as it usually wont click (solenoid earths via brushes and if theyre out it wont earth and make a click noise, but if theyre really low but not completely run out, it will be enough to earth through but not enough to turn motor over)

B. Solenoid contacts need replacing (the starter is engaging 'click', but there is no circuit from your main Batt supply to the motor supply via solenoid contacts)

C. Your Battery is flat.

So start with a jumper battery you KNOW is good (not you THINK)
if that doesnt work,
get a test light and a friend,
earth the test light clip (a good earth, the block or the battery)
put the test probe to the main battery supply on the starter,
it should light up to show you that you have a good earth and obviously battery supply at the starter.
Now probe the excite terminal on the starter (the small wire)
Get your Friend to turn the key to start,
if the test light lights up go to step 1a, if not go to step 1b.
1b. Check the start relay has battery supply on the terminal marked 30, Earth on the terminal 85 (clip the test light to power to check for earth)
A circuit between 87 and the excite terminal on the starter (use a jumper wire between 30 and 87 with your test light probed into the starter end of the excite wire and power on 86 when the key is in crank position.

1a. Now put the test probe to the motor side of the solenoid, get your friend/mother/cousin to turn the key to start.
If it goes clunk/click and the test light doesnt light up you have faulty solenoid contacts ($12.5 for a set)
If it goes clunk/click and the test light lights up (but doesnt motor) your out of brushes (pull it off and take it to your sparky)

god that hurt, hope i covered all the basics
0272006621 if you get lost

pc · Post by pc » Sun Jan 18, 2009 7:26 pm

Got a photo of the wire connecting to the starter? Sounds like the leads weren't connected to the right bits when you first posted.
Also does it still need the auto neutral safety switch... did you bypass it?

AE86less · Post by **AE86less** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 9:52 pm

Had a similar thing on my AW11. Drove around ignorant to the fact that the starter was spinning then it wouldn't start (just clicked) because the bearing thing had shat itself.

Thought I had wayy bigger problems as the starter was generating power and sending it back through the loom causing the car to cut out at high revs :oops:

Matty104 · Post by **Matty104** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:36 pm

Thanks 3trona , I will get a test lamp tomorrow and try that , it sounds like it should sort it out

tried different combinations of wires for 4 hours today with no luck to had to give up before i smashed my head into the wall haha

PC i tried to take a photo but the pictures willnot come out, , im not sure weather i need the auto neutral safety switch, when i had it running last time i bypassed the starter relay though as i didnt have one, and now trying to use one i cant get it to go

on closer inspection it could possibly be the starter relay thats macking the clicking noise? not sure if they could even make a noise though, i wish i wasnt such a noob with cars !!!!111!!!!

FULLOC · Post by **FULLOC** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:56 pm

i vote solenoid. you should be able to just short it with direct current to test if the starter will spin or is jammed etc.

mine was stuffed in my ute so i had to jump out and short it every few starts to get it going until i sorted that out.