silvertop sump removal

[Lurkin]

thinkin about redoing the sump gasket.. but there is a piece that is obsecuring the shallower end of the sump.. just wondering what it actually is and the best way to get it off?

it has bolts either side of the block, and a couple more obsurced again by the member that has the front engine mount on..

bit of a bugger to get to before getting to the sump?

took one off at pick a part and it appers to cup the sump - is it some sort of support?

[deaf_rattle]

it will be one of the engine crossmembers. best to have a hoist on the motor. undo the bolts through the mounts. then undo the bolts that hold the crossmember to the car.

[Lurkin]

hmm, have no hoist..

perhaps just support the weight of the engine to take the weight off it?

[Brick]

i did one last week,
i had to drop the cross member, removed front section of exhaust (could prob just lower the front) then there was a bracket, it had 2 bolts on the engine, one on each side and 2 on the gearbox.
And then the billion bolts and nuts that hold the sump on, it will be alot easier if you have a knuckle for your socket

also make sure when you put the sump back on that its clean and so is the bottom of the block (i used silicon)

[Mr Revhead]

those two mounts just stop the engine rocking back and forwards.
the engine actually hangs from the two side ones (cam cover and gearbox)
so you can just undo them, it won't fall on you.
have fun with the rear one
easiest to undo the bracket on the engine and take that out to give you more room.
when you get the mount out, knock out the 3rd stud (you will know which one) and replace it with a bolt. just watch the length of the bolt other wise you will ground out the mount and have horrible horrible vibrations

[deaf_rattle]

the rear one is ok to get out. putting it back in sucks big floppy donkey dick though.
I modified mine to make it easier.

[Mr Revhead]

easy once you remove that bracket
once you have that stud replaced as a bolt, there's no more problem

[AceSniper]

rear mount is never a issue if you remove the subframe as designed

[Mr Revhead]

yeah but stuff that

[IH8TEC]

done it enough times without removing the crossmember, easy enough, worked in tighter places before.

just a bit fiddly

[neo]

easy once you remove that bracket
once you have that stud replaced as a bolt, there's no more problem

ya half ass.. replace all the studs with bolts

Nice timing with the topic, I have to redo the sump seal on both my cars...

[Mr Revhead]

why? only one cause's an issue, the one that goes through the crossmember and the sub frame. the others are fine

[Bazda]

Replaced many times now without removing the cross members.

Just have to have the right set of tools.
Ideally you need the really really small socket sets to get to the bolts above the x member.

[sergei]

I usually knock out studs out rear mount when removing it. They are just pressed in and once they are out the rear mount will slide out easily.

[Mr Revhead]

Replaced many times now without removing the cross members.

Just have to have the right set of tools.
Ideally you need the really really small socket sets to get to the bolts above the x member.

im fairly sure ae92 and ae101/111 are different

[Lurkin]

hmm. ae101s are a little different, the bolts on the brace are right in from of the cross member- thus need to either

- lift the engine
- lower the engine (kinda impossible with the cross member there)
- remove the cross member

methinks I'll have a crack at removing the crossmember.. other (rangi) alternative is to jack the engine up after loosing off the front and back engine mounts... but would stress the side mounts on the engine...

any chance of being able to watch you break yours first neo?

[sergei]

hmm. ae101s are a little different, the bolts on the brace are right in from of the cross member- thus need to either

- lift the engine
- lower the engine (kinda impossible with the cross member there)
- remove the cross member

methinks I'll have a crack at removing the crossmember.. other (rangi) alternative is to jack the engine up after loosing off the front and back engine mounts... but would stress the side mounts on the engine...

any chance of being able to watch you break yours first neo?

I usually knock out studs out rear mount when removing it. They are just pressed in and once they are out the rear mount will slide out easily.

Take a short 1/2 drive extension, position it on the centre of the stud, take hammer and hit the extension. Do it couple of times until the stud budges, pull the stud out with fingers and screwdriver, repeat on second stud, (is there a third, can't remember), don't try to hammer out stud on the crossmember it is welded on. Once you have studs out, and you have removed little exhaust mount in that area the rear mount can be slid out or just have the crossmember turned and slid out under the mount.

[Lurkin]

Ok I have discovered tonight.. .

(1) it is entirely possible to get the annoying bracket off without removing the crossmember or the sub frame.

However, the last dipsh*t owner did not mimic the standard exhaust, (when replacing it with 2.5" throughout) and has replaced the 2-1 section without a flange to the rest of the exhaust = one piece exhaust after the extractors. dammit!!!

therefore have managed to get to the bracket/ got the bolts off it... but cant get it out as the crossmember and the exhaust are too much in the way.

(2) cannot seem to get to the bolts that hold the engine mount onto the cross mount. (the ones bolting the rear engine mount to the block). May be due to the pricky exhaust still getting in the way. VERY tempted to cut the barsta*d off. Therefore I have no idea of the 'studs' discussed earlier.

(3) will attempt to remove the subframe, cross member and bracket tomorrow... too tired to keep going tonight... would really like to remove at least the cross member as the sump itself is pretty obsured with the exhaust and the the crossmember in the way...

[Lurkin]

Eureka.. the studs from the engine mount through the crossmember are those in discussion!!!

dropped the subframe down about 2 inchs... forced out the engine mount... will remove those blasted studs and replaced with bolts!!! thunderbirds are go!

[levinguy]

haha , they sure don't make this easy, i ended up dropping the subframe down a couple of cm's, loosened the bolts/nuts, but left them in.

i expect it to be about 100 times easier the next time i do it, i swear i tried so hard to get it out with everything in place first