The Give way to your right rule about to change?

[fivebob]

The Melbourne right turn rule is ridiculous.

Two lane intersection, you get into the left lane to turn right, move into the intersection and wait until the lights go red so that you can turn right.

It's only at traffic light controlled intersections that are shared with trams. Much better than being hit by a tram

[Mike228]

hang on, isnt 99% of crashes caused by speeding motorists?
im sure they just make up the figures to suit their campaign at the time.

That's pretty much how they do them, you could define just about any accident as a car going to fast to stop before it hits another, in 2005 I believe it was, around 50% of the accidents attributed to speed happened under the speed limit.

[1I1]

A pinch OT, but to do with the proposed law changes, is the restriction of "performance cars" with under 20's. One of my sisters is 25, on her L's and only ever driven couple times yet would be allowed to get behind the wheel of a quick car. Where-as one of the apprentices at work is 19, been driving his turbo Legacy for years fine but would not be allowed to drive it again till he turns 20

[tsoob]

A pinch OT, but to do with the proposed law changes, is the restriction of "performance cars" with under 20's. One of my sisters is 25, on her L's and only ever driven couple times yet would be allowed to get behind the wheel of a quick car. Where-as one of the apprentices at work is 19, been driving his turbo Legacy for years fine but would not be allowed to drive it again till he turns 20

i see where you are going, but statsiscally the 19yr old is most likley to have a crash, he is more influenced by peer pressure, has a younger more competitive brain, and is more likely to get G'd up by another young guy on the road to race etc.


IMO under 20's in high powered cars is just asking for trouble, and the reality is your sister at 25 is probbably a lot more sensible than a young 19yr old with excess testosterone to blow off each day.

[Adamal]

Thats pretty much the gist of it. Its not just about experience, its about the attitude.

[1I1]

A pinch OT, but to do with the proposed law changes, is the restriction of "performance cars" with under 20's. One of my sisters is 25, on her L's and only ever driven couple times yet would be allowed to get behind the wheel of a quick car. Where-as one of the apprentices at work is 19, been driving his turbo Legacy for years fine but would not be allowed to drive it again till he turns 20

i see where you are going, but statsiscally the 19yr old is most likley to have a crash, he is more influenced by peer pressure, has a younger more competitive brain, and is more likely to get G'd up by another young guy on the road to race etc.


IMO under 20's in high powered cars is just asking for trouble, and the reality is your sister at 25 is probbably a lot more sensible than a young 19yr old with excess testosterone to blow off each day.

Bear in mind she has no car control skills and will never try driving a manual again (I've offered numerous times to take her for a lesson).

I like the Aussie way where you are limited by what license you have as to what can you can drive

[Adamal]

Bear in mind she has no car control skills and will never try driving a manual again (I've offered numerous times to take her for a lesson).

But how does Mr Plod know this?

[1I1]

Exactly! License limiting like motor bikes ftw

[Adamal]

True, she might end up with a limited license due to experience, but the 19 year old apprentice would end up with a limited license due to age!

[Prymal]

being australian , i have to say the way its going to be is ALOT better than the current system over here .. Round abouts dont change , not that anyone uses indicators in this country anyway to say which way they are going , but having the proposed way at intersections does work out alot safer and quicker to deal with ..

+1 for changing the rules

PS: in all honesty the basic road rules in oz are alot easier and better than here , but thats just my oppinion having lived in both countries ..

[Prymal]

The Melbourne right turn rule is ridiculous.

Two lane intersection, you get into the left lane to turn right, move into the intersection and wait until the lights go red so that you can turn right.

It's only at traffic light controlled intersections that are shared with trams. Much better than being hit by a tram

And its only in melbourne .. Its called a hook turn , and actually is quite safe to do , once you know how to .

[tsoob]

being australian , i have to say the way its going to be is ALOT better than the current system over here .. Round abouts dont change , not that anyone uses indicators in this country anyway to say which way they are going , but having the proposed way at intersections does work out alot safer and quicker to deal with ..

+1 for changing the rules

PS: in all honesty the basic road rules in oz are alot easier and better than here , but thats just my oppinion having lived in both countries ..

aggreed i have live in both, Aussie FTW!

[DRFTIN]

fix the drivers not the rules i say
way too many idiots around that dont know what they are doing or just dont care

but in saying that, the example of uncontrolled T intersection as seen in the pic on the 1st page if this, that rule should change. no one can ever tell what the other car is doing

[fivebob]

And its only in melbourne .. Its called a hook turn , and actually is quite safe to do , once you know how to .

As long as you watch out for the red light runners

I saw a couple of accidents when the right turning car got hit but someone running a red light.

[fangsport]

fix the drivers not the rules i say
way too many idiots around that dont know what they are doing or just dont care

but in saying that, the example of uncontrolled T intersection as seen in the pic on the 1st page if this, that rule should change. no one can ever tell what the other car is doing

the car turning into the uncontrolled intersection probably has no idea if there is a STOP or GIVE WAY sign controlling it, making it a hit-and miss rule.

PS, good result on the weekend for you Chris, you must be stoked.

[Mike228]

Limits on power ratings are silly for a few reasons.

First of all pretty much anything you buy these days is fast enough to kill you if you drive it into a power pole.

Second, big market distortions, like 250cc motor bikes are unnecessarily expensive, it would do the same to cars.

Third, it is more about the kind of driver, someone who's going to wipe themselves out in a rex is just as likely to do the same in a corolla.

Still, it all does down well with angry old people who don't like kids these days, and making a law that sounds like its going to be effective is just as good if not better than making one that's actually effect come election time.

[Adamal]

Limits on power ratings are silly for a few reasons.

First of all pretty much anything you buy these days is fast enough to kill you if you drive it into a power pole.


Third, it is more about the kind of driver, someone who's going to wipe themselves out in a rex is just as likely to do the same in a corolla.

Hmmm.... I don't think you understand the.... 'Side effects' of having more power.

If someone is used to driving a Corolla, and they jump into a WRX, they're not going to be used to the power difference.
Its the same with handling. Cars that can go right to the edge of handling are double edged swords. Unskilled people will be more likely to crash then. Hell, don't believe me? Go look on the net for all the crashed Enzo's out there!

So someone who wipes themselves out in a WRX is a lot LESS likely to do so. Sure, it may be able to go just as fast as it will probably ever be driven on the roads, but the rate at which is gets there, and the speed it can carry through the corners is a different story

[Mike228]

Limits on power ratings are silly for a few reasons.

First of all pretty much anything you buy these days is fast enough to kill you if you drive it into a power pole.


Third, it is more about the kind of driver, someone who's going to wipe themselves out in a rex is just as likely to do the same in a corolla.

Hmmm.... I don't think you understand the.... 'Side effects' of having more power.

If someone is used to driving a Corolla, and they jump into a WRX, they're not going to be used to the power difference.
Its the same with handling. Cars that can go right to the edge of handling are double edged swords. Unskilled people will be more likely to crash then. Hell, don't believe me? Go look on the net for all the crashed Enzo's out there!

So someone who wipes themselves out in a WRX is a lot LESS likely to do so. Sure, it may be able to go just as fast as it will probably ever be driven on the roads, but the rate at which is gets there, and the speed it can carry through the corners is a different story

Well the balance between power and handling is a whole new thing too, which we can all see would be disastrous should the govt try and legislate for it.

But I was kind of getting at driver behavior in my third point up there. Any one who goes out and races their mates all the time, slides around corners, drives too fast around blind corners, trys to max out the speedo ect it going to come to grief sooner or later.

[tsoob]

Limits on power ratings are silly for a few reasons.

First of all pretty much anything you buy these days is fast enough to kill you if you drive it into a power pole.


Third, it is more about the kind of driver, someone who's going to wipe themselves out in a rex is just as likely to do the same in a corolla.

Hmmm.... I don't think you understand the.... 'Side effects' of having more power.

If someone is used to driving a Corolla, and they jump into a WRX, they're not going to be used to the power difference.
Its the same with handling. Cars that can go right to the edge of handling are double edged swords. Unskilled people will be more likely to crash then. Hell, don't believe me? Go look on the net for all the crashed Enzo's out there!

So someone who wipes themselves out in a WRX is a lot LESS likely to do so. Sure, it may be able to go just as fast as it will probably ever be driven on the roads, but the rate at which is gets there, and the speed it can carry through the corners is a different story

Well the balance between power and handling is a whole new thing too, which we can all see would be disastrous should the govt try and legislate for it.

But I was kind of getting at driver behavior in my third point up there. Any one who goes out and races their mates all the time, slides around corners, drives too fast around blind corners, trys to max out the speedo ect it going to come to grief sooner or later.

exactally why RESTRICTING the power will help. they just cant go as fast.

[Snaps]

^ But that doesn't really matter, the difference between a 120km/h crash and a 150km/h crash is very minimal when it comes to the people's lives in the car... you're likely to die either way.