shitty way to lose a young life,

FST4RD · Post by **FST4RD** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:17 pm

I agree, you drink drive, dangerous drive causing injury or death, loss of licence for ever.
I have lost people through both and it sucks.
If you lose your licence and your caught driving, instant 1 month jail sentence no parole, caught again 3 months, caught for a 3rd time and much much longer jail time.

For people that continue to drive with no licence there's nothing to deter them "got another fine, add it to my tab" idiots.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:50 pm

Yeah the dude sucks for doing what he did but the amount of holier than thou "enthusiasts" in this thread pisses me off. Especially when a lot of us come from a time when it was "hangin' out" to have all your schoolmates in an Austin Allegro chasing turkeys in a paddock with baseball bats.

B1NZ · Post by **B1NZ** » Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:16 pm

Toby wrote:Yeah the dude sucks for doing what he did but the amount of holier than thou "enthusiasts" in this thread pisses me off. Especially when a lot of us come from a time when it was "hangin' out" to have all your schoolmates in an Austin Allegro chasing turkeys in a paddock with baseball bats.

Turkeys are a pest on farms, I used to use a cricket bat while riding an XL200 personally :lol:

I still don't believe for a second that it wasn't a deliberate drift that went horribly wrong.

tsoob · Post by **tsoob** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:49 am

B1NZ wrote:
I still don't believe for a second that it wasn't a deliberate drift that went horribly wrong.

Seconded!!

FANGIN · Post by **FANGIN** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:50 am

Thirded

pc · Post by pc » Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:28 pm

Yep. He drove like a dick, killed someone, and then tried to divert attention away from it in court... car too powerful/never driven in wet/50kmh in 1st is normal/it's not my fault/coil-overs make it dangerous/blah blah blah....

throw him in jail.

DXROLLA · Post by **DXROLLA** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:08 pm

I believe what he did is wrong and he deserves to be punished, but i can not see what the advantage of him going to jail will be. What he needs to do is make something of his life so the little kid that go killed didnt die for no reason. Yes he should not of died but the thing is he has and there is nothing we can do about that. Im sure if he could he would switch places with that little boy, at least i know if i was in that situation i would.

What happened was a massive tragedy and it was just waiting to happen, dont lie we have all had a bit of a 'moment' before just so happens that this guy didnt get away with it.

I have meet this guy before and he didnt come across as some drop kick boyracer.

Bling · Post by **Bling** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:02 pm

So what punishment should be given to someone that kills someone else if not jail time?

He could have prevented the situation in more than one way, but didn't, so there needs to be a strong punishment. By prevent, I mean not have done the fail combo of things he did, driving conditions, car in question setup, driving around a corner in a stupid manner, list goes on. But you think he shouldn't get jail time for this action so i'd genuinely like to know why you think he shouldn't get jail time and what punishment you think he should get instead?

I mean people can throw others off bridges with ropes too long, deny they did anything wrong, get found guilty of the crime and still not get jail time. So really, anything is possible in this situation, but the more and more asshats get away with murder the more and more society is going to be against the justice system. It won't be long before consequences are dealt out to criminals by members of the public if the justice system can't actually provide some justice to the innocent people involved in these situations.

If I went sledging into some kid walking home from school I would expect to be punished for that stupid action. But instead, its all about getting off punishment these days, any way out of paying for your crime will do. Society is going down the tubes and we have the lowest scum of society to blame for that.

The NZ justice system punishes the innocent and protects the criminals, sad but true. I personally would not be relying on the justice system myself........... but I would expect justice to be served *cough*

tsoob · Post by **tsoob** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:06 pm

yeah man... im sure you could say that about anyone, even a "boy racer" may come across as a nice guy... but then go and be a $&#$% behind the wheel.

If he isint locked away for a long time there is not gonna be any deterant for the rest of the idiots out there, AND he wont really ever learn the lesson of his stupidity.

pjay · Post by **pjay** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:11 pm

DXROLLA wrote:I believe what he did is wrong and he deserves to be punished, but i can not see what the advantage of him going to jail will be.

BZG|Bling wrote:why you think he shouldn't get jail time and what punishment you think he should get instead?

I agree with DX. Jailtime is of no benefit to society in this case. We have to pay taxes for people in Jail you know, we don't want people in there that don't necessarily NEED to be in there.

DXROLLA · Post by **DXROLLA** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:37 pm

Exactly my point im not saying he doesnt deserve to get punished just not jail, where is the benefit of hanging around gang members and pedos.

So all of you are saying you have never done something stupid behind the wheel if you are you are lying or you are THE BEST driver ever to grace this earth because you must have some serious self control. And if you say this guy chose the wrong place to do it well there is no wright place other than a race track.

This guy $&#$% up and has paid the ultimate price.

Where is the benifit of jail its just going to $&#$% this guy up even more than what he is feeling

l1ttle_d3vil · Post by **l1ttle_d3vil** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:57 pm

DXROLLA wrote:So all of you are saying you have never done something stupid behind the wheel if you are you are lying or you are THE BEST driver ever to grace this earth because you must have some serious self control. And if you say this guy chose the wrong place to do it well there is no wright place other than a race track.

Seems to be a lot of "like you've never done anything stupid" comments on here... yep, I've done plenty of stupid things behind the wheel, I'm not the worlds best driver, and I will continue to do stupid things behind the wheel. But this guy is a tool because he did it in the middle of town on a busy road with traffic and pedestrians around.

Losing control of your car could happen to anyone, but if it happened to me as a result of me doing something stupid I would just end up in a ditch or paddock or something, not sitting in someones front yard with a kid under my car.

fangsport · Post by **fangsport** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:01 pm

l1ttle_d3vil wrote: Losing control of your car could happen to anyone, but if it happened to me while I'm doing something stupid I would just end up in a ditch or paddock or something, not sitting in someones front yard with a kid under my car.

exactly, if you want to be a bit silly, there is a time and place for it. rush hour in the wet on a major road isn't it.

regarding a comment above , we would often end up one the grass verge running down rabbits and wallabies out in the sticks. no one around, no-one to harm or blame but our selves.

DXROLLA · Post by **DXROLLA** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:03 pm

What if there was a kid walking his dog in the country where you THINK its ok around a blind corner, you never know mate and this guy never knew this was going to happen, could happen to any of us, unless you take this as a warning OR have grown out of that stage in life

fangsport · Post by **fangsport** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:14 pm

DXROLLA wrote:What if there was a kid walking his dog in the country where you THINK its ok around a blind corner, you never know mate and this guy never knew this was going to happen, could happen to any of us, unless you take this as a warning OR have grown out of that stage in life

anyone who does dumb sh!t on a blind bend deserves the outcome, besides, the ares in question has 1 house per 25km at best.

l1ttle_d3vil · Post by **l1ttle_d3vil** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:16 pm

DXROLLA wrote:What if there was a kid walking his dog in the country where you THINK its ok around a blind corner, you never know mate and this guy never knew this was going to happen, could happen to any of us, unless you take this as a warning OR have grown out of that stage in life

Why do stupid sh*t on a blind corner? Its just common sense which this guy is obviously lacking. I'm not saying this guy knew it would happen, its a pretty big risk doing something like that in that situation...

tsoob · Post by **tsoob** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:29 pm

the other thing is use him to deter others from this kind of shit.

simply put there has been a poo load of hype in the media about the boy racer problem in chch, secondly they have just put new laws in place to comabat the problem.

Him going to jail will send a MESSAGE to other stupid little $&#$% that this kind of driving is no longer tolerated.

I had a young dude in my shop today who lost his licence,

HE WAS DOING over 180kph in a 50 zone FFS.. when I talked to him about this situation he realised how seriously dangerous HIS own driving was... if this kid gets off do you think that the kid in my shop will really change his mind 2 much??

metal_sean_head · Post by **metal_sean_head** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:35 pm

I think in this instance he doesn't need to be punished by going to jail. He killed a child and that will stay with him the rest of his life. That to me is a serious punishment in its self.

But something does need to be done about the justice system. Its screwed. An example as above is the bungying accident.

He made a series of mistakes that led to the outcome of a child being killed.
Maybe he needs to be made an example of by going to jail to send a message to others?? IDK.

All i know is i would feel completely and utterly shit for killing a child. And that would be one of th hardest things to live with.

Bling · Post by **Bling** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:46 pm

pjay wrote:
DXROLLA wrote:I believe what he did is wrong and he deserves to be punished, but i can not see what the advantage of him going to jail will be.

BZG|Bling wrote:why you think he shouldn't get jail time and what punishment you think he should get instead?

I agree with DX. Jailtime is of no benefit to society in this case. We have to pay taxes for people in Jail you know, we don't want people in there that don't necessarily NEED to be in there.

Jail is there as its the worst punishment we have. Answer the part in bold with a fitting punishment for the action then. As TSOOB says, jail sends a message, that doing dumb shit on the road has punishment.

DXROLLA wrote:So all of you are saying you have never done something stupid behind the wheel if you are you are lying or you are THE BEST driver ever to grace this earth because you must have some serious self control. And if you say this guy chose the wrong place to do it well there is no wright place other than a race track.

Not sure where you get your idea from that everyone on here considers themselves to be perfect drivers. But its a very flawed theory. Everyone is flawed, and if anyone on here was caught drifting and killed a child, they too would be getting the 'e-bashing' this guy is getting.

Part in bold is 100% correct, the race track is the only place for such actions to take place. People will still do dumb shit on the roads, today, tomorrow and forever. People need to know though, that if they do decide to do it on public roads, people can get hurt, and consequences will follow such actions. The thinking should not be, save it for the track.... but if you're just too cool, do it on the road, you'll just get home D bro then you'll be back out in the cef.

Barely a weekend goes by without a needless death on the roads. What makes you think that we can't comment on what does happen though. We can't speak badly of someone for killing someone else because we ourselves aren't perfect drivers? Only perfect drivers can voice their opinions about an issue? No, totally incorrect.

fangsport · Post by **fangsport** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:49 pm

metal_sean_head wrote: But something does need to be done about the justice system. Its screwed. An example as above is the bungying accident.

there is always a risk when embarking on 'adrenaline' type activities, in this case, the risk was made greater by the operator.

metal_sean_head wrote:He made a series of mistakes that led to the outcome of a child being killed.
Maybe he needs to be made an example of by going to jail to send a message to others?? IDK.

the poor lady was already having a sh!ty time walking in the run until this munter delayed her getting home.

if we still had death penalty for murderers, there would be more room in jails for this guy and the rest of that element in society.