shitty way to lose a young life,

pjay · Post by **pjay** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:49 pm

He will go to jail and be forgotton after a month. The media will hype something new and everyone that should care (IE the hooligans out doing this shit) will forget.

Long term jailtime for this kid is not the answer. Car crush, yes. Lots of community service, yes. Loss of licence for forever, maybe.

A car crush itself is a massive statement to the skidding community out there. But it also introduces more potential problems as well.

Bling · Post by **Bling** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:51 pm

He already crushed his car... well unless he's going to pay to fix the right off worthy damage out of his own pocket.

Community service, that would be a good idea if people did it. Its always on the news how people just don't do it, so the courts fine them, or add more hours, and it just cycles around until the courts give up.

I do think though that crushing cars of repeat offenders would send a message. But it won't happen, system is too pussy to hurt peoples feelings.

matt dunn · Post by **matt dunn** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:59 pm

BZG|Bling wrote:I do think though that crushing cars of repeat offenders would send a message. But it won't happen, system is too pussy to hurt peoples feelings.

Yeah, also a limit on unpaid fines,
Once you rack up a set amount, you loose your licence,
until your fines are paid,
Caught driving a car while disqualified, car gets taken,
repeat the process again and caught driving again,
car gets crushed.

And to those who say but what if he is driving someone else's car,

Would you loan you car to a mate who is disqualified if you know it will get crushed if he's caught,
i know I wouldn't,

and if it his mum's car,
same deal she either says he stole it and he goes to jail, or she loaned it to him and it gets crushed.

And In this case I think a little jail time will help,
but having no liscence for the next 10 years when all his mates have liscences, and wont let him drive their car because if he gets caught it gets crushed will be a long reminder.

frost · Post by **frost** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:03 pm

HE KILLED A LITTLE BOY!!
HE KILLED A LITTLE BOY!!
HE KILLED A LITTLE BOY!!
how much more serious of a crime do you need before you get jail,

if he don't get serious jail time then its no better then cops giving out fines to drop kicks who cant pay it,
a slap on the wrist FFS.
in ANY other country he would get minimum 7 years,

im not perfect, i do drive my car hard, i wont say much as this is a forum and it has rules, but a time and place for everything, i make dam sure im away from any harm,
just last week my mate and i where organizing a gymkhana on private land,

tui add:
don't kill! you'll get jail time

tsoob · Post by **tsoob** » Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:28 pm

frost wrote:HE KILLED A LITTLE BOY!!
HE KILLED A LITTLE BOY!!
HE KILLED A LITTLE BOY!!
how much more serious of a crime do you need before you get jail,

if he don't get serious jail time then its no better then cops giving out fines to drop kicks who cant pay it,
a slap on the wrist FFS.
in ANY other country he would get minimum 7 years,

yup i dont see any real way you can argue against these statements.. aggreed the system is soft... IMO its time to harden up our system, STARTING with this dude.

Barark · Post by **Barark** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:15 am

What ever happened to "Eye for an Eye"....

Elmo · Post by **Elmo** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:40 am

DXROLLA wrote:This guy $&#$% up and has paid the ultimate price.

Not true, yes, he fkd up, but the BOY paid the ultimate price. The driver gets to live life with his family, his guilt will fade, yes, people will know him as the boy that did it, but that will fade also. The familys pain of losing there child will always be there.

Hail time will remind the driver EVERY day in a major way what hes done.

shihad · Post by **shihad** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:16 am

Barark wrote:What ever happened to "Eye for an Eye"....

An eye for an eye - and the whole world goes blind

duddley · Post by **duddley** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:21 am

I think the only suitable punishment would be jailtime for dangerous driving causing death. He was driving like a knob in wet conditions at a busy time of day

sik_gt_starly · Post by **sik_gt_starly** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 10:29 am

make an example of him to set a new precedent for fatality caused by reckless driving.

Wether it was an accident or not does not bring the little boy back to life. Will jail time teach him a lesson, no probably not anything over what he is already going through

Will it stop other dickheads doing dum sh1t probably not, but if enough people get done for it people the dickheads will hopfully start getting the picture that they need to take responsability for their actions.

although a bit hard with the current joke of a judicial system at the moment.

The whole country needs to harden up against criminals, its a shame to see that criminals get more rights than their victims and at us, the taxpayers cost.

pjay · Post by **pjay** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:07 am

It's easy to waggle the finger isn't it. Another great trait of New Zealand.
/sarcasm.

I agree NZ needs to harden the $&#$% up.
I agree the Justice system is soft.
I agree he should be punished.
But I do not agree that jail time is the answer.

I also think you should all take a step back and stop being so close minded, YOU never killed anyone, it's not YOU up on that booth. YOU don't have to live with it for the rest of your life. And as for whoever said the guilt will fade. Have you killed someone before? How qualified are you to make that statement?

It isn't as simple as "He is a criminal, send him to Jail", no wonder our jails are so overpopulated. And imagine if NZ were even LESS soft with this kind of "LOCK HIM UP" attitude. We would need MORE jails and that equals MORE tax payer money.

I don't know about a lot of you, but I'm more for constructive punishment.

Barark · Post by **Barark** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:14 am

shihad wrote:
Barark wrote:What ever happened to "Eye for an Eye"....

An eye for an eye - and the whole world goes blind

Makes you wonder who in the world would actually be left.

Makes you think harder about consequences IMO

sik_gt_starly · Post by **sik_gt_starly** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:41 am

agreed that jail wouldnt be the best answer,

but what other forms of punishment are available here in NZ?

he still killed soemone at the end of the day, accident or not there are others in jail right now for less

FANGIN · Post by **FANGIN** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:45 am

I think he should do community service for the Family who he has affected.

Mow their lawns, do gardening etc, seeing the mother of the child would remind him everyday of what he has done. But, on the flipside, it would also remind the family.

Alex B · Post by **Alex B** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:08 pm

Who says the mother of the child wants anything to do with the kid, I sure as hell wouldn't.

FANGIN · Post by **FANGIN** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:13 pm

She would see justice being served, one weed pull at a time.

duddley · Post by **duddley** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:22 pm

The only other options are a few thousand hours community service or say 6 years on home detention

fangsport · Post by **fangsport** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:27 pm

duddley wrote:The only other options are a few thousand hours community service or say 6 years on home detention

and once successfully completed, allow him the Silvia back, with a Police escort to the crusher. and make him watch

the only justice below a jail term

duddley · Post by **duddley** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:46 pm

Or put the silvia on a trailer and take it round all the local high schools so they can show the kids just how cool DRIFTAS AU are. It might make a few idiots think twice

sik_gt_starly · Post by **sik_gt_starly** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:05 pm

Or put the silvia on a trailer and take it round all the local high schools so they can show the kids just how cool DRIFTAS AU are. It might make a few idiots think twice

now thats actually a pretty dam good idea