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by **KIPH8N** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:59 pm

Has anyone done swaped a 4age with a 3sgte in a levin. Fwd gearbox. Need some info thanks. Mounts n etc

by **celica_xr9145** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 5:14 pm

Been asked loads of times.

Not a straight forward swap. Would need custom mounts for a start.

Would cost a sh!t load of cash!!!!

Also should probably be in the tech section :wink:

by **dnalunchie** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:11 pm

I don't want to discourage you but for the amount you will spend doing it you would be better off forging the 4age and turboing that, it has been proven time and again here that they can easily produce in excess of 400hp atw.

by **loudstealthGT-Four** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:44 pm

dnalunchie wrote:I don't want to discourage you but for the amount you will spend doing it you would be better off forging the 4age and turboing that, it has been proven time and again here that they can easily produce in excess of 400hp atw.

+1

how much were you planning on spending? roughly?

by **Quirky** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:57 pm

Ive seen an AE82 Hatch with a 3sgte front drive.
Seemed interesting, but it made 220kw at the wheels.
You can achieve the same power from a turbo 4a so probably not worth it.

Website · by **Bling** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:13 pm

Moved to a more appropriate location...

by **thegreatestben** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:13 pm

For ~$8000 there is/was an EE90 that had been converted to full 4wd with ST205 motor. I'd say you'd spend that much just to make one FWD/useless

by **sergei** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:50 pm

Quirky wrote:Ive seen an AE82 Hatch with a 3sgte front drive.
Seemed interesting, but it made 220kw at the wheels.
You can achieve the same power from a turbo 4a so probably not worth it.

Well 220kW at FWD from 3SGTE is relatively easy to achieve. It would probably handle it all day long, on other hand the 4AGTE will be a hand grenade with that sort of power unless you spend twice as much as 3SGTE conversion will cost.

by **matt dunn** » Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:13 pm

sergei wrote:on other hand the 4AGTE will be a hand grenade with that sort of power unless you spend twice as much as 3SGTE conversion will cost.

Kw for Kw I would say a 3SGTE is much more of a hand grenade than a 4AGTE at the same hp.

220kw from a 4agte is not even a push.

by **KinLoud** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:33 am

Find a diesel corolla... Block bolt pattern same as 3sgte
Grab gearbox, mounts, driveshafts etc.
Only mount you would need to make is the one for the pulley end of the engine.

Ken

by **iOnic** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:05 am

matt dunn wrote:Kw for Kw I would say a 3SGTE is much more of a hand grenade than a 4AGTE at the same hp.

What makes you say that?

by **shihad** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:21 pm

iOnic wrote:
matt dunn wrote:Kw for Kw I would say a 3SGTE is much more of a hand grenade than a 4AGTE at the same hp.

What makes you say that?

wasnt there a thread fews years back that ended up comparing kws made verse money spent 4atges and 3sgte? from memory 4a seemed far better.i shall go for a dig.

by **soopachargen** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:28 pm

matt dunn wrote:
sergei wrote:on other hand the 4AGTE will be a hand grenade with that sort of power unless you spend twice as much as 3SGTE conversion will cost.

Kw for Kw I would say a 3SGTE is much more of a hand grenade than a 4AGTE at the same hp.

220kw from a 4agte is not even a push.

i believe the Jamaican ae101 guys use some st215 mount combination on the cambelt end

by **iOnic** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:32 pm

Be interested in seeing that. I was making 210kw on stock fuel, stock ECU, stockish turbo (different compressor wheel), stock ignition on a 200,000km/20 year old 3SGTE and I beat on it all the time as well as used it as my daily...

Gonna have a hard time convincing me that it's cheaper to get a ~100kw engine to 220kw than it is to do the same to a 160-180kw engine.
Gonna have an even harder time convincing me that the one that started out with less power and no turbo is under less strain making that power than the one that had more power and a turbo from factory.

As for getting it in an AE chassis - why would it be any harder than putting it in an AW? Hasn't that been done multiple times now? It's effectively the same swap...

by **soopachargen** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:41 pm

this is a good build

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?16162-Woodsport-3s-gte-Corolla&highlight=ae101

by **callum** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:42 pm

I looked into putting a 3gse in my ae92 but couldn't find anyone wreaking a diesel one so gave up.

by **loudstealthGT-Four** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 2:38 pm

soopachargen wrote:this is a good build

http://www.twobrutal.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?16162-Woodsport-3s-gte-Corolla&highlight=ae101

that looks $&#$% sweet

by **THA SHZ** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:02 pm

KIPH8N wrote:Has anyone done swaped a 4age with a 3sgte in a levin. Fwd gearbox. Need some info thanks. Mounts n etc

done it in an ae92 , not as hard as people are making out , using mr2 lsd box out of sw is going to be the hardest bit of it trying to find one for decent money , and besides 3s is pretty good engine if you look after them , do what you wana do mate , some people on here are scared of the unknown

Mounts i had a couple custom made as its in my race car , i have a solid one on cam belt side but you could get them made up easy enough , something that you could get evil si to do for you and hes out your way .

by **sergei** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:11 pm

Another option for gearbox is E series out of SS3 (ST202) Celica (superstrut - it comes with LSD).

by **Quirky** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:27 pm

Or a camry box

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