Can an Auto AE111 Blacktop engine loom be used a manual BT?

[AE111_JAMES]

As per title...this info will be very helpful if anyone may know if this can be done

[shihad]

my old manuel silvertop ae92 ran on a auto computer i believe.doesnt answer your questiont thou.

[AE111_JAMES]

thanks for that any way mate, but yeah what are your thoughts on it any how?

[levinguy]

you'll need to bridge the inhibitor switch to start it. thats just the switch which only lets it start in park.

[Mr Revhead]

I'm pretty sure the auto and manual ECUs have different plugs.
What exactly are you doing?

[AE111_JAMES]

still using the manual ecu.

well Im doing the 4afe to 4age blacktop conversion and just weighing up my options with engine looms in whether i can use an engine loom from an auto BT or do i have to use a manual BT engine loom with my manual ecu?

[20v_rollaboy]

If you're using a manual ecu get a manual loom, Im 99% sure they have different plugs.

[AE111_JAMES]

ok great, thank you all for your help

I have recently bought a BT loom but unfortunately the guy said it was an AE111 loom but is definitely from a GT Carina or something similar as the fuse box plugs just dont match up at all...so have to find another one

[nzhogrider]

What about running the auto loom and computer? Would remove compatibility issues right? Then only need to close the loop for the inhibitor switch and it's gold!

[AE111_JAMES]

yeahh, just that I have the manual ecu, also not all that confident messing about with the ecu if you know what i mean.
but ill see if this loom on trademe is for a manual.


OH wait i was searching and found out the the ecu plugs are interchangeable between a/t and m/t ecu's. not all sure if this is correct but if i was to get an auto loom, wouldn't the plugs for the transmission be different for the plugs on the manual gearbox?

[xsspeed]

Auto gbox has its own ECU (iirc)

[AE25]

ive converted an auto silvertop loom to manual ST. One plug has different pin count. most of the pins needed to be swapped around on all the plugs so they matched the manual ecu. then the gear selector thing on the gearbox has the neutral safety switch which needs to be bridged if using the auto ecu (i cut the whole lot out from loom since using manual ecu) not a job for the beginner. but can be done.
I've read that people on club4ag are using BT ecu on silvertop loom and swapping the airflow meter pins to the map pins and cut off AFM plug and adapting map sensor plug.
I'd suggest get the correct loom to start with. less chance of getting it wrong aye

according to club4ag ...
"All (BT) have the same pin outputs except for AT specific outputs on AT models that can be ignored for MT applications."
so we can assume this means the plugs are the same pin count but have extra pins for the auto outputs?

bit off topic but interesting...
ST man has 26-16-12
ST Auto has 26-16-22
BT . . has 26-16-22

and yes the 16pin auto ST plug is a very close wire match to the BT 16pin plug. whereas ST manual 16pin is half different to BT. and ST manual 12pin needs a new 22pin plug and complete rewire.

BT pinout
http://club4ag.com/faq_and_tech_pages/E ... _Black.htm

ST pinout
http://club4ag.com/faq_and_tech_pages/E ... Silver.htm

[AE111_JAMES]

wow you really know your stuff haha.
but yes as you said get all of the correct things to start with and I cant go wrong.
as with the ecu plugs...both auto and manual ecus use the same plugs on the blacktop, is the correct?
but the only difference with the auto and manual looms is the pin out for the gearbox?

[nzhogrider]

as with the ecu plugs...both auto and manual ecus use the same plugs on the blacktop, is the correct?
but the only difference with the auto and manual looms is the pin out for the gearbox?

That's what it boils down to. So if you have a manual ECU you can use an auto loom and just ignore the auto specific pins. You may need to change 1 or two plugs for the loom to fit the gearbox, unless they are all on the auto loom and are left redundant. i.e. for the neutral and reverse switches.

All (BT) have the same pin outputs except for AT specific outputs on AT models that can be ignored for MT applications."
so we can assume this means the plugs are the same pin count but have extra pins for the auto outputs

[nzhogrider]

as with the ecu plugs...both auto and manual ecus use the same plugs on the blacktop, is the correct?
but the only difference with the auto and manual looms is the pin out for the gearbox?

That's what it boils down to. So if you have a manual ECU you can use an auto loom and just ignore the auto specific pins. You may need to change 1 or two plugs for the loom to fit the gearbox, unless they are all on the auto loom and are left redundant. i.e. for the neutral and reverse switches, unless of course these are on the chassis side of the loom and not the engine one?

All (BT) have the same pin outputs except for AT specific outputs on AT models that can be ignored for MT applications."
so we can assume this means the plugs are the same pin count but have extra pins for the auto outputs

[AE111_JAMES]

hmmmm, we'll There are two looms, manual and unknown that I am very interested in.

So virtually It doesn't matter what loom I get just that I get the correct ecu to save me from bridging several wires to show that it is constantly in drive.

thank you very much for all of your help, now that it has been explained in detail I have quite a good idea on re-wiring the body loom from the 4afe to the 4age. thinking about it, it is actually quite straight forward...just need to find a 4afe ecu pinout diagram now

[ChaosAD]

Manual and auto Blacktop ecu's are the same board.
The only difference is the components for auto transmission functions are left out on the manual ecu and the tune is slightly different.

So an auto loom is fine for a manual ecu.