Anyone else have their eye on the FT86?

General discussions on all non technical car related topics

Moderator: The Mod Squad

Postby TTEETT » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:47 am

Leon wrote:comparing new to old is always going to be apples and oranges

different buyer market.



A new car buyer is looking at new cars and a total package, we don’t care if you can buy a 10k Japanese’s import that is faster, we owned that old hat Japer 10 years ago when they were relevant and remember how bad they were back in the day.

I think you really have to drive a decent new car to get a fair idea of what they are like, and im not talking mums 2010 Suzuki Swift or Dads VE Commonwhore as a lot of people base new car experiences on, if you want an idea of how cars have evolved in 20 years compare 1980 Toyota Corona to a 2000 Toyota Altezza, you can crunch numbers all you want but there is more to a car than 0-100 times and horse power, there’s chassis stiffness, drivability, design, build quality, material quality, safety, comfort, noise levels, fuel economy and above all chassis engineering.

I actually think this is where the FT-86 will fail to deliver the experience of the AE-86, modern cars have improved 100 fold in 20 years but one key part of why the AE86 is so enjoyable to drive is its card board box flexi chassis and body, it makes driving slow exciting, in a modern equivalent that is a safety cocoon with low noise levels and big window pillars you are going to have to drive a lot faster to get a simple thrill.

As a comparison I own a 1985 Toyota Corolla NZGT and a brand new Hot Hatch Equivalent, whilst the Corolla is shit slow and handles very averagely (read bad) it is exciting even at low speeds, at say 90-100 on a back road it is fun, I would have to go 140kph in my new car to get the same sense of excitement.

Don't go selling your AE86's just yet, biggest regret I ever had was not buying one when they were realistically priced and not riced wank drift specked like most are now.
TTEETT
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 330
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 9:09 pm
Location: Papakua

Postby TTEETT » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:04 am

Subaru Version. They say it rebodied but it looks near the same to me.

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/suba ... 2011-11-29

Apparently we wont see this until they come in as used imports as the RWD is not fitting with Subaru NZ "total Control" "All AWD" brand profile in NZ.

Oh how I hope STI throw a turbo on one. Please, please!
TTEETT
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 330
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 9:09 pm
Location: Papakua

Postby ch4ng » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:41 am

Just had a thought.

START hoarding subaru engines now. The prices look like they will be on the rise
I'm guessing people will be swapping EJ20T's into this soon.
Chondah Civic
2T Navara
ex:
Charade Detomaso
MX5 - Stancemobile
MX5 turbo - El Tigre
87 Alto - The Tragic 3cyl powah
AE111 BZ-G Death Race 15.09

No Limits Onsite Paint Repairs. Cut and polishing, stone chip and scratch repairs. 021-177-8539 Mention Toyspeed.
User avatar
ch4ng
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 595
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:28 pm
Location: Auckland

Postby Leon » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:54 am

4AGE :wink:
User avatar
Leon
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 6642
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:27 pm
Location: Wellington

Postby TTEETT » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:10 pm

ch4ng wrote:Just had a thought.

START hoarding subaru engines now. The prices look like they will be on the rise
I'm guessing people will be swapping EJ20T's into this soon.


Yea had thought that! Problem would be the cars electronics, i'm sure some clever cookie boy will have already come up with some re programming solutions!

GT86 + STI EJ20T + decent wheels and tyres = Mean Machine.
TTEETT
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 330
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 9:09 pm
Location: Papakua

Postby Luke - BZG » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:34 pm

Leon wrote:4AGE :wink:


I'm not sure if the chassis could handle that much power and low down torque

:wink:
User avatar
Luke - BZG
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 212
Joined: Tue Sep 14, 2004 11:36 pm
Location: Wellington

Postby xsspeed » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:35 pm

Luke - BZG wrote:
Leon wrote:4AGE :wink:


I'm not sure if the chassis could handle that much power and low down torque
:wink:


Shit yeah, TVIS equipped
xsspeed
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 3946
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:56 pm
Location: Auckland

Postby GTTpower » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:46 pm

TTEETT wrote:Apparently we wont see this until they come in as used imports as the RWD is not fitting with Subaru NZ "total Control" "All AWD" brand profile in NZ.


Really? Though Subaru changed their slogan from 'all wheel drive' to 'confidence in motion'. Could speculate as to it being a precursor to this car being made.
1999 SXE10 Altezza RS200Z
2004 Honda SCV100
Previous: 1993 EP85 Starlet, 1984 KP60 Starlet
Steam/Origin ID: nzEP85
User avatar
GTTpower
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1160
Joined: Wed May 02, 2007 8:47 am
Location: Hamilton

Postby TTEETT » Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:48 pm

Yea something like that, all I was told is that this car did not fit in NZ Subaru range etc..

Would like to see Subaru throw an AWD system in it and use it in the WRC.
TTEETT
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 330
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 9:09 pm
Location: Papakua

Postby RomanV » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:13 pm

Well part of their design plan etc was for the car to be easy to modify.

Hence keeping standard mounting position for EJ20, removable dash for rollcage, etc.

So I'm sure they've made accomodations for engine swaps to be as easy as possible, heopfully that means seperate ECUs for everything on independant systems, rather than all tied into the engine ECU.

Imagine if an EJ20 turbo loom just plugged straight in... hah!

would be awesome.
User avatar
RomanV
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 4915
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:17 am
Location: West Auckland

Postby sergei » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:17 pm

Does anyone notice how tyres/wheels and wheel offset look wrong on test cars from pics above?
As if they purposely put narrow wheels/tyres to reduce grip.

Let me blaspheme: I would love to see this in turbo 4WD with subaru badges.
User avatar
sergei
Mad Russian
 
Posts: 8406
Joined: Wed May 15, 2002 12:06 pm
Location: North Shore

Postby GTTpower » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:26 pm

Would need to push the engine pretty far forward from its existing position to fit a 4WD box. Sad to say but cant see that happening.

Would love to be wrong though :D
1999 SXE10 Altezza RS200Z
2004 Honda SCV100
Previous: 1993 EP85 Starlet, 1984 KP60 Starlet
Steam/Origin ID: nzEP85
User avatar
GTTpower
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1160
Joined: Wed May 02, 2007 8:47 am
Location: Hamilton

Postby TTEETT » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:37 pm

In a WRC application it would run a 1.6 anyway so whole drive train would be bespoke. Hope they do it!

sergei wrote:Does anyone notice how tyres/wheels and wheel offset look wrong on test cars from pics above?
As if they purposely put narrow wheels/tyres to reduce grip.

Let me blaspheme: I would love to see this in turbo 4WD with subaru badges.


Yep that's exactly what they have done, it runs the same "green party approved" tyres as a Toyota Prius, they are a tyre designed foremost for fuel economy.

A decent performance tyre and wider wheels will have it going around corners faster.. But fast is not always as much fun as sideways!
TTEETT
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 330
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 9:09 pm
Location: Papakua

Postby nobody » Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:29 pm

GTTpower wrote:
TTEETT wrote:Apparently we wont see this until they come in as used imports as the RWD is not fitting with Subaru NZ "total Control" "All AWD" brand profile in NZ.


Really? Though Subaru changed their slogan from 'all wheel drive' to 'confidence in motion'. Could speculate as to it being a precursor to this car being made.


Good News Everyone!

Quote: Subaru managing director Wallis Dumper has ruled on the BRZ sports coupe: "It will be in New Zealand next year. It's a good car."

Dumper decided to include the rear-drive BRZ in his line-up of all-wheel-drive vehicles after meetings at Subaru headquarters in Japan last week.

More info here: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10771921
User avatar
nobody
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 196
Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2004 1:04 am
Location: Hamilton

Postby DeeCee » Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:31 pm

For a minute I thought you were going to talk about the Dacia Sandero..
GT Four Adovansu
"I want to enjoy the powerful and nimble agility behavior."

Project: viewtopic.php?t=60474
Discussion: viewtopic.php?t=60475
User avatar
DeeCee
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 2765
Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:02 pm
Location: Lower Hutt

Postby RomanV » Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:48 pm

Shit a brick

Image
User avatar
RomanV
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 4915
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2003 12:17 am
Location: West Auckland

Postby Al » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:29 pm

Do want.
85 Corolla GT - 08 Blade Master G
Image
User avatar
Al
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 6146
Joined: Mon Jan 20, 2003 11:52 pm
Location: Christchurch

Postby Dell'Orto » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:31 pm

+1
1988 KE70 Wagon - Slowly rusting
1990 NA6 MX-5 - because reasons
2018 Ranger - Because workcar
1997 FD3S RX-7 Type R - all brap, all the time
OMG so shiny!

Quint wrote:Not just cock, large cock.
User avatar
Dell'Orto
** Moderator **
 
Posts: 17494
Joined: Tue Jul 08, 2003 5:07 am
Location: Straight out the ghetto, Lower Hutt

Postby Mr Revhead » Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:34 pm

Photoshop no count!
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby ch4ng » Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:29 pm

RomanV wrote:Shit a brick

epic pic


ZOMG WANT!!!!!
Chondah Civic
2T Navara
ex:
Charade Detomaso
MX5 - Stancemobile
MX5 turbo - El Tigre
87 Alto - The Tragic 3cyl powah
AE111 BZ-G Death Race 15.09

No Limits Onsite Paint Repairs. Cut and polishing, stone chip and scratch repairs. 021-177-8539 Mention Toyspeed.
User avatar
ch4ng
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 595
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:28 pm
Location: Auckland

PreviousNext

Return to General Car Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 16 guests