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Website · by **Bling** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:37 am

What does the manufacturer say for that particular tyre?

Someone doing a cert has a guide from the cert manual and what the tyre manufacturer says the tyre is designed to fit. How can they cert if it it doesn't comply with either of those? Not having a go, just looking at it from the certifiers point of view.

The joys of setting a car up that doesn't meet the current cert rules aye, never going to be an easy fight.

by **wde_bdy** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:01 am

tsoob wrote:Some tyre manufacturers allow a 205 on an 8 but the LVV people are stuck in their ways.

If the manufacturer lists 8" rim fitment for a 205 then it is legal for THAT tyre, f your cert guys says otherwise provide the paperwork to LVVTA and it will get through. Manufacturers specs are the final word for tyre fitment.

Callum

by **Grrrrrrr!** » Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:05 am

tsoob wrote:again... does anyone here feel that this is 'unsafe'

"Feeling" ain't got shit to do with it.

Does anyone here have access to the tyre models, load cases and the experience and research data to prove that it is safe? Nah, didn't think so.

Hence why you are trying to push shit uphill with a stick. Have fun.

by **tsoob** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:02 am

BZG|Bling wrote:What does the manufacturer say for that particular tyre?

Someone doing a cert has a guide from the cert manual and what the tyre manufacturer says the tyre is designed to fit. How can they cert if it it doesn't comply with either of those? Not having a go, just looking at it from the certifiers point of view.

The joys of setting a car up that doesn't meet the current cert rules aye, never going to be an easy fight.

the thing is its not the certifiers point of view that counts.

I have 2 separate Cert guys who agree that the fitment is fine.

LVV are no longer letting certifiers do their jobs. We already know of one certififer who has left the country due to the bullshit that LVV are putting these guys through.

The certifiers are not getting a fair go here. Which only means that more and more cars will go uncertififed .

(Please excuse my spelling)

by **wde_bdy** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:43 am

Do you have it in writing from the tyre manufacturer that it is a suitable fitment?
Yes = Legal
No = Not legal
Simple as that.

Callum

by **tsoob** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:13 pm

so at what point does a certifier have a say?

Website · by **Bling** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:21 pm

Why would they want to ignore what a manufacturer says is suitable use or not? Has the cert guy done more testing over and above what the manufacturer has to determine its safety / suitability in said situation?

There is a line in the sand on many rules as to what is acceptable. There are also a lot of areas where it's up to the person doing the cert to determine if it's safe or not. If tyre manufacturers stat X tyre is suitable for Y width rim, who are we to disagree?

Someone left the country due to LVV rules? Really? :lol:

by **Mr Ree** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:47 pm

As far as Im aware, certifiers are given a book of stipulated rules and regulations to ensure cars they inspect adhere to.

They dont have any say on what they consider legal or not, as its not them personally, that make the rules, they just inspect the cars.

Agree with bzg bling, it seems odd to leave NZ because the rules LVV stipulate dont wash with the inspectors "opinion", imagine everyone left their jobs because they didnt agree with the rules the company issues lol

by **cat007** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:30 pm

Mr Ree wrote:Agree with bzg bling, it seems odd to leave NZ because the rules LVV stipulate dont wash with the inspectors "opinion", imagine everyone left their jobs because they didnt agree with the rules the company issues lol

Not if your entire career and life revolved around certifying - and you can earn twice as much with half the issues by going over the ditch, or wherever he ended up going. Are you shocked that there was 1 person that left the country for better money and better job opportunities? Don't read this then....

http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/res ... 011/04.asp

Website · by **Bling** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:22 pm

Take note of what we are referring to:

tsoob wrote:We already know of one certififer who has left the country due to the bullshit that LVV are putting these guys through.

There is no mention it was for better money etc, they left due to the bullshit apparently alone. This could all just be sensationalism though to make the problem sound a lot bigger than it really is. Who knows.

I just believe there would be other rather large contributing factors involved. Immigration happens no matter what the rules are.

by **wde_bdy** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:53 pm

tsoob wrote:so at what point does a certifier have a say?

For tyre fitment they don't, simply because I doubt there is anyone in NZ who has more expertise in safe and proper fitment than the actual tyre manufacturers. It is extremely risky (from a getting sued point of view) for a certifier on behalf of the LVVTA to approve something that the manufacturer of the product has not deemed a safe use especially when they simply don't have the expertise to back it up. There is an LVVTA issued spec sheet with suitable fitments (basically the industry standard sheet, covers most sizes available the same as those big poster type ones you see in some tyre shops) and a note at the front that the certifier can only accept fitments outside that if you have written specs from the manufacturer for that particular tyre.

Callum

by **d1 mule** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:54 pm

d1 mule wrote:gots to remember regardless what cert man says if the tire manufacturer states a 135 can fit on a 12" rim its ok.

thats right, quoting myself.

callum is completely right.....

i have the lvv form with the legal width vs tire size on it somewhere, and it states "unless manufacturer states otherwise" on it

by **Mr Ree** » Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:40 pm

cat007 wrote:
Mr Ree wrote:Agree with bzg bling, it seems odd to leave NZ because the rules LVV stipulate dont wash with the inspectors "opinion", imagine everyone left their jobs because they didnt agree with the rules the company issues lol

Not if your entire career and life revolved around certifying - and you can earn twice as much with half the issues by going over the ditch, or wherever he ended up going. Are you shocked that there was 1 person that left the country for better money and better job opportunities? Don't read this then....

http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/res ... 011/04.asp

As bzgbling mentioned already, it was simply a reply to the statement that someone left nz becuase of the lvv bs.

I think we all know the facts about migration to the land of convict's spawn

by **THA SHZ** » Tue May 01, 2012 5:59 pm

cat007 wrote:
Mr Ree wrote:Agree with bzg bling, it seems odd to leave NZ because the rules LVV stipulate dont wash with the inspectors "opinion", imagine everyone left their jobs because they didnt agree with the rules the company issues lol

Not if your entire career and life revolved around certifying - and you can earn twice as much with half the issues by going over the ditch, or wherever he ended up going. Are you shocked that there was 1 person that left the country for better money and better job opportunities? Don't read this then....

http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/res ... 011/04.asp

haha bro seriously what you just wrote is a crack up , you think our vehicle laws are tough then move to queensland bro , you cant do jack shiz to a car over there , think before you speak

by **cat007** » Tue May 01, 2012 9:56 pm

THA SHZ wrote:
cat007 wrote:
Mr Ree wrote:Agree with bzg bling, it seems odd to leave NZ because the rules LVV stipulate dont wash with the inspectors "opinion", imagine everyone left their jobs because they didnt agree with the rules the company issues lol

Not if your entire career and life revolved around certifying - and you can earn twice as much with half the issues by going over the ditch, or wherever he ended up going. Are you shocked that there was 1 person that left the country for better money and better job opportunities? Don't read this then....

http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/res ... 011/04.asp

haha bro seriously what you just wrote is a crack up , you think our vehicle laws are tough then move to queensland bro , you cant do jack shiz to a car over there , think before you speak

Who said anything about queensland? Is that where the certifier went? Do you know the guy?

by **RomanV** » Wed May 02, 2012 1:33 am

Probably get paid twice as much because you need to be a lawyer to understand their car modifcation rules :lol:

by **THA SHZ** » Wed May 02, 2012 9:23 am

cat007 wrote:
THA SHZ wrote:
cat007 wrote:
Mr Ree wrote:Agree with bzg bling, it seems odd to leave NZ because the rules LVV stipulate dont wash with the inspectors "opinion", imagine everyone left their jobs because they didnt agree with the rules the company issues lol

Not if your entire career and life revolved around certifying - and you can earn twice as much with half the issues by going over the ditch, or wherever he ended up going. Are you shocked that there was 1 person that left the country for better money and better job opportunities? Don't read this then....

http://www.dol.govt.nz/publications/res ... 011/04.asp

haha bro seriously what you just wrote is a crack up , you think our vehicle laws are tough then move to queensland bro , you cant do jack shiz to a car over there , think before you speak

Who said anything about queensland? Is that where the certifier went? Do you know the guy?

i was giving an example dude , all on australias modifying laws are harder then ours mate , the point was your post seems more emotional that factual dude

anywho on a side note did you try it out with nick dave ?

by **cat007** » Wed May 02, 2012 9:26 am

More emotional than factual? Are you having a laugh?

Website · by **Bling** » Wed May 02, 2012 5:57 pm

Well let us know the details then if you know them? Where did he go? Did he leave because of the rules here or because the grass is greener in general over there?

Unless he genuinely left for the sole reason he didn't like the rules, then it is you having the laugh.

Not that ANY of this side track has anything to do with the thread..... but go on, enlighten us with what we clearly don't know.

by **cat007** » Wed May 02, 2012 6:04 pm

BZG|Bling wrote:Well let us know the details then if you know them? Where did he go? Did he leave because of the rules here or because the grass is greener in general over there?

Unless he genuinely left for the sole reason he didn't like the rules, then it is you having the laugh.

Not that ANY of this side track has anything to do with the thread..... but go on, enlighten us with what we clearly don't know.

I've no idea who he was or where he went. I was mealy making an assumption - just like you and everyone else.

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