New camber rules for certs

[Akane]

Thank god, hopefully they will put an end to this "Stance" bullshit.

[wde_bdy]

Thank god, hopefully they will put an end to this "Stance" bullshit.

The problems is most of those cars probably aren't certed anyway.

Callum

[sergei]

Yeah camber, muscle cars don't need it and thats all it matter (for people who make the rules).

[siren676]

Well im probably screwed for my retest

[Mr Revhead]

Hmmm early Imps had positive camber....

[Mr Revhead]

Hmmm early Imps had positive camber....

[tsoob]

Thank god, hopefully they will put an end to this "Stance" bullshit.

The problems is most of those cars probably aren't certed anyway.

Callum

exactally my point, those that want to do it legally can't even do it now due to laws.

Daniel, we are probably best to put those falken tyres on it and try your luck.

[tsoob]

Going off that guide the certifier has to do a road test and provided it meets the standards (comes down braking safely etc) then you can have more than half a degree of camber.

Again thats subjective to tyre width etc isn't it?

acutally no, it doesnt count for the difference in tyre width, i asked him about that and its not taken into consideration, 'because they run bald tyres'

[wde_bdy]

After taking to them I had the director of Autolign NZ here, and he is also dealing with the very same people at the moment to get the TEIN brand of coilovers through their stringent processes, these guys are second guessing (assuming they know more than the manufacturers) even good quality JAPANESE brands now.

That is a specific issue around welding to cast, ANY manufacture using the process needs to go through this with destructive testing or with appropriate certified quality control processes. Based on some of the stuff sold in NZ it was definitely needed, will only affect certain cars.
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Callum

[Dell'Orto]

I take it Tony Johnson isnt with LVVTA anymore? I can understand how they dont want road cars driving around with 3 degrees of negative camber, but how can they say my car with substantially lowered suspension can only be set to .1 degree positive camber?

[tsoob]

yeah I covered a lot of that with the Don, the big man at autolign.. it will be passed, the meeting is june 5.

Simple fact is that it is no longer up to a certifier to say if they 'certify' a car to be safe, its now up to the guys at lvv in wellington to approve that they say its safe.

[Makaveli]

I do agree with "excessive" negative camber on some cars which decreases the tyre patch contact with the road surface and makes it more dangerous, but since I have lowered my car, the rear has a little bit of negative camber, not sure of the degrees, but I wouldn't say it's excessive. I was going to go for a Cert. Does this mean I won't get a cert? I haven't got a wheel alignment sheet as they normally give you a print out after alignment.

Looking at car pics on the net - I would say my rear wheels have about 3 degrees of Negative camber.

[Bling]

As with lots of things. People push the limits, rules get changed so they can't take the piss, everyone loses.

[iOnic]

Half a degree outside of stock spec is bugger all. Pretty much, if you have any more/less camber than stock, you will fail a cert. Unless you use your car for motorsport a couple times a year. Then it's suddenly safe for road use and will pass the cert in spite of probably having the same suspension as the car that just failed.

Makes perfect sense.

[2jz tt Aristo]

This is bullshit.............

[siren676]

hands up whos car is now illegal

[Bling]

Yours has been for ages, so what's new?

TBH I think we have it pretty good here. Without a cert you can get away with quite lot of modifying. Not to sound like a party pooper, but it does concern me it's like that. But only because people do things in unsafe manners. Anything done without need a cert is almost using a loophole.

If you need the extra camber just join a motorsport club and do some events to use that 'loophole'.

[siren676]

Yours has been for ages, so what's new?

shhh....

[Mr Revhead]

To be honest I don't think there are going to be many mainstream cars that will need more than .5 more than of factory specs.
It says negative, most fwd cars only need a little more front and LESS rear to handle better.

And if for some reason you do need more camber. Cert it in legal spec, and then add more camber. Can't tell me cops and wof guys wil be checking camber unless it's obviously waaaay out. And if it is, chances are you are a tool.

[nz_climber]

I think its a good idea, but probably need to go out to 1 degree on top of manufactures specs.

Also think something needs to be done about the modified cars that don't need a cert that get away with lots, but those of us that do get a cert are subjected to all these extra rules.

I reckon there needs to be a limit on camber etc at WOF time and if you want to exceed this then you need a cert (like the 100mm ride height rule)

Unsure how this will effect scratch built cars - guess I will find out in the next week as my car is currently in for cert.