Need urgent help, Caldina just died

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Postby snwtoy » Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:26 pm

Verdict is in:

Dirty pickup as well as very dirty filter.

Cleaned and replaced, good as new now!
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Postby snwtoy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:53 am

Holy crap, what a difference! So much smoother all the way from idle to redline now! At least 10-15 ponies have been found!

Going to chuck some injctor cleaner in next fill too, the gas in the old filter was coming out black!
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Postby BZG Wagon » Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:00 pm

Found the same when I replaced my Fuel Fliter. Smoother & noticably more power. I replaced mine @ 140kms and it looked like it was the factory filter.

It's got to be one of the most underated things to do to a car.

Does injector cleaner work? Tried it on my old car and didn't notice any difference. Removing and cleaning is quite different.
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Postby snwtoy » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:22 pm

No idea tbh. Although, the injectors must be pretty dirty given the colour of the fuel. As long as they don't make it worse, for $20 or so it's worth a shot.
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Postby gt4dude » Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:06 pm

im guessing we have the same fuel filter setup so ill ask here

anyone know what the thread is on the base of the fuel filter? I want to replace mine with pushlock fittings, and a regular barbed pushon filter with clamps, the way toyota has done it, it may aswell be 1 piece with the fuel line.

im afraid of breaking the hard line :(
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Postby Lloyd » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:47 pm

There is a hex on the filter as well, if you're undoing the filter using 2 spanners at once then you're never going to damage the line.

Having said that, not sure on the thread. Might want to check the flare on the filter you're going to be using too otherwise bring on the fire.
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Postby Bling » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:18 am

I would have thought you'd only do it once in the time you own it? Hardly seems worth the effort. I could understand it for something you'll replace frequently.
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Postby MilfHunter » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:22 am

At some stage you put dirty fuel into the tank?

If you use fuel to clean to clean parts and then chuck it in the tank it will clog up the pickup and filter to the point it strangulates the motor.
Putting fresh fuel in "dissolves" the muck and gives the impression that all is well for a few days.
The motor will cut suddenly when the tank is below 1/4 and you are on an incline

This is a buddy's pickup after we discovered the same problem, took weeks to figure what was happening.
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If the fuel is coming out black - I suggest drain the tank before it re-occurs and only fill from the gas station in future
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Postby xsspeed » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:39 am

people clean parts with fuel, then put that fuel in their tank?
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Postby Lloyd » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:12 am

Farm people?
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Postby matt dunn » Sun Aug 19, 2012 1:52 am

xsspeed wrote:people clean parts with fuel, then put that fuel in their tank?


Not normal people,


the stuff in there actually comes from the pump itself,
ias they wear the brushes the brush dust goes into the fuel due to the way they are designed.
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Re: Need urgent help, Caldina just died

Postby allencr » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:23 am

snwtoy wrote:...just driving normally the engine cut out.
Anyway it turns over and runs for a second then dies again. Fuel filter?
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Holy crap, what a difference! So much smoother all the way from idle to redline now! At least 10-15 ponies have been found!


Doesn't restricted flow act more like a rev limiter then an on-off switch, coming down in RPM as it gets more clogged but not affecting idle & no load RPM?
I don't think that's a fuel filter problem.
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Postby Lloyd » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:16 am

matt dunn wrote:
the stuff in there actually comes from the pump itself,
ias they wear the brushes the brush dust goes into the fuel due to the way they are designed.


Exactly. Which is why its funny when people are making their fuel systems and putting a filter before the pump and not after.
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Re: Need urgent help, Caldina just died

Postby snwtoy » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:17 am

allencr wrote:
snwtoy wrote:...just driving normally the engine cut out.
Anyway it turns over and runs for a second then dies again. Fuel filter?
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Holy crap, what a difference! So much smoother all the way from idle to redline now! At least 10-15 ponies have been found!


Doesn't restricted flow act more like a rev limiter then an on-off switch, coming down in RPM as it gets more clogged but not affecting idle & no load RPM?
I don't think that's a fuel filter problem.


In my (limited) experience, restricted flow can lean the engine out and cause it to detonate to pieces (blew up a turbo charade like this - not with the filter but with a mixture adjustment), but I've never heard of it acting like a rev limiter. Car had a sligh surge at idle before, completely gone now, and much smoother as above.

MilfHunter wrote:At some stage you put dirty fuel into the tank?

If you use fuel to clean to clean parts and then chuck it in the tank it will clog up the pickup and filter to the point it strangulates the motor.
Putting fresh fuel in "dissolves" the muck and gives the impression that all is well for a few days.
The motor will cut suddenly when the tank is below 1/4 and you are on an incline

This is a buddy's pickup after we discovered the same problem, took weeks to figure what was happening.
Image

If the fuel is coming out black - I suggest drain the tank before it re-occurs and only fill from the gas station in future


Oh hell, my the pickup was nothing like that! It was black in the centre where the actual line is behind the mesh, but that's all. I've only ever used pump gas too. 98 from gull or bp whenever I can.
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Re: Need urgent help, Caldina just died

Postby xsspeed » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:03 pm

snwtoy wrote: 98 from gull or bp whenever I can.


You know the 98 from gull is an ethanol blend right?

Not the best for rubber fuel lines on anything more than a few years old

That and you're fuel usage will increase when using it, as alcohol has less energy than petrol



/sorry for turning this into the petrol vs ethanol blend thread it is about to become :oops: :lol:
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