FWD to RWD

[92GTApex]

Yeah that is basically the point were dad and I got to...
At which point dad said we might as well just build another car from scratch

Logan

[Emperor]

Or just buy a RWD car?

[Alex B]

yes but they have 4a-fe's

Could you not get one and do a 20V conversion and just loos the front drive shafts?

haha did think about that, saw one online but it was a carib wagon turbo 4a-ge on standard drivetrain yes that will last a long time....

[92GTApex]

Or just buy a RWD car?

Already got one waiting for an engine and box...
Just prefer the weight of the Levin

Logan

[Emperor]

Get an 86 then.

[92GTApex]

Dad sold his
And as much as like them... (from a historical point of view) there not my thing
Why do you care what I want anyway?

Logan

[1598cc]

would be nice to see a sacked ae92 rwd.. researched it to do to my car but not it just aint worth it.

[10k 20v]

the other advantage of fwd is no trans/drive shaft tunnel and more interior space

[Caveman]

RWD? Get a KE or KP and repower it. Thats what my next cars gonna be.

"Amid much speculation and rumor, the next-generation Celica is expected to debut sometime in 1998. Apparently, Toyota had been originally considering changing to a front engine/rear drive format in order to make the car more performance-oriented (as Nissan will do with the next-generation Maxima). These plans were scrapped after research found that the largely female buyers have negative preconceptions of rear-wheel-drive cars as dangerous and evil-handling. One rumor that refuses to go away is that of a V6 model being included in the lineup, which would be a break from Celica tradition, but would probably help sales. Finally, a limited-edition, all-wheel-drive, turbo model (GT4/All-trac) is believed to be once again in the offering. Whether or not it will make it to US shores is another question."

http://www.geocities.com/~yoshi83/story.html

Another interesting point is I find this article contridicted by the fact that most (~80% Anyone know exactly?) of the preorders for MR2's were for woman.

[Adamal]

Another interesting point is I find this article contridicted by the fact that most (~80% Anyone know exactly?) of the preorders for MR2's were for woman.

Thats because hair dressers are too ditzy to know the difference between FWD and RWD

[Emperor]

the other advantage of fwd is no trans/drive shaft tunnel and more interior space

My Impreza had the tunnel for the driveshaft, but I think that's just cause they used the same chassis for the FWD/AWD ones with no changes.

[TygerTung]

Manufacturers went to FWD, simply because customers liked them better.

EVEN if it did cost more to make a RWD, which I can't see how it would, you just drop the chassis down over the drivetrain and engine, suspension etc. EVEN if it was cheaper, it wouldn't be cheaper if noone brought it right?

With FWD you get more interior space, it's much quieter (much less gearbox and diff noise) the handling is much more predictable and you get beter fuel economy. FWD often tends to be lighter too, so the car handles more nimbly.

I think trying to convert FWD to RWD is a silly idea, as the manufacturer already spent millions designing a FWD chassis to handle well etc, if you just go $&#$% around with that, and don't spend millions of dollars designing it, you might end up with somthing crappy.

I'd recomend just starting with a RWD car.

And I don't think converting a 4WD to RWD is a good idea either, as you have the added weight of 4WD, but you don't have the advantages of 4WD.

Just what I think.

[RS13]

Manufacturers went to FWD, simply because customers liked them better.

EVEN if it did cost more to make a RWD, which I can't see how it would, you just drop the chassis down over the drivetrain and engine, suspension etc. EVEN if it was cheaper, it wouldn't be cheaper if noone brought it right?

With FWD you get more interior space, it's much quieter (much less gearbox and diff noise) the handling is much more predictable and you get beter fuel economy. FWD often tends to be lighter too, so the car handles more nimbly.

I think trying to convert FWD to RWD is a silly idea, as the manufacturer already spent millions designing a FWD chassis to handle well etc, if you just go $&#$% around with that, and don't spend millions of dollars designing it, you might end up with somthing crappy.

I'd recomend just starting with a RWD car.

And I don't think converting a 4WD to RWD is a good idea either, as you have the added weight of 4WD, but you don't have the advantages of 4WD.

Just what I think.

Manufacturers went to FWD, purely for financial reasons. Not only are FWD's much cheaper and easier to make, it took less time to make them. With the onset of the US "oil crisis" in the mid 80's, and the massive increase in population growth in cities, manufacturers realised that people weren't going to be wanting huge, thirsty RWD tanks as had been the norm, but economical, cheap, reliable 'a to b' cars.

This is why most Jap/US manufacturers in the mid 80's started spitting out crappy FWD's by the thousand, as they could make them twice as fast/cheaply as any other rwd/4wd car.. aside from Nissan of course, who continued making RWD/4wd turbos.. God bless them!

And converting a 4WD to RWD.. isn't that bad an idea, its' certainly much cheaper than converting a FWD, the only issue is with the front subframe, as 4WD cars had the chassis rails rise over the front axles, opposed to RWD chassis rails which were pretty much straight. I saw a 4WD Corolla (101 era) sedan the other day on the way to work, I reckon scrap the dodgy IRS, get a Hilux LSD rear in there, get a custom subframe/crossmember at the front, slot in a blacktop 4age and W55, you'd be away laughing..

And interior space? The difference is all in the front seating, some FWD (mostly Hondas that I can think of) cars still have a slight "tunnel", in which the exhaust sits. Ever tried to sit in the back of an AE92? Then sat in the back of a GTSt coupe? There is NO difference, they were both made for people with no legs.. And I know for a fact, that there is more room in the back of an AU falcon than another FWD car of the same size, say, a Windom. Its all down to the car, you can't make generalisations like that.

I personally find my car quieter than my mum's camry, as her bearings/suspension make more creaks and knocks than my car ever has.. once again, its' all down to the car..

[thaphatty]

saw a RWD AE101 signature class car at the 6hr enduro @ puke last night, came second over all, $&#$% that car was mean.

[Al]

saw a RWD AE101 signature class car at the 6hr enduro @ puke last night, came second over all, $&#$% that car was mean.

That would be the car matt dunn and his father built.

[matt dunn]

yes but they have 4a-fe's

Could you not get one and do a 20V conversion and just loos the front drive shafts?

Yes but the rear diff is rated at 1/2 the hp of a 7afe. How long will it last with 100% hp of anything decent.??

saw a RWD AE101 signature class car at the 6hr enduro @ puke last night, came second over all, $&#$% that car was mean.

Yes thats one of them.

We were there servicing on it.

We had to make a pit stop 10 minutes from the end which cost us 40sec's,
so we ended up 2nd 29 or so seconds behind the twin turbo 4wd Porsche, and 8 laps ahead of 3rd place.

Matt

[flygt4]

slight OT but i remember seeing in a magazine.. and intrega drift car in the us , which had been converted to rwd by taking the drivedrain from a honda crv and running it in rwd.pretty cool idea i thought

[thaphatty]

yeh, you guys were fully on that porches ass for so long!

i was helping out ian booth in the pits (yellow altessa)

His altenator shat itself about 2 hours in, found another one eventually tho.